kungfoodude

It is some special level of coping mechanism or Bad QB Stockholm Syndrome. Can you imagine, one of these stained t-shirt, basement dwellers talking to an NFL GM and giving some speech on how the QB isn't important to winning in the NFL? Not even Skip Bayless or Colin Cowturd could deliver that troll opinion with a straight face.

So the other elite QB prospect that led that comeback was not relevant. Got it. At least we all know to immediately discount any opinion you have on NFL QB's.

I can't root for the 49ers. I have an insufferable 49ers fan buddy. I will never hear the end of it.

Okay. You meant to reply to them, I am guessing.

I wasn't referring to Rhule.

He bounced around but is the Foreskins kicker now. Better FG%, worse XP %

TBH, yes. Even if he does something that the Huddle generally agrees with, continuing to lose/fail will be his fault. The difference being that our opinions are based on literally just observation of the process, whereas(in theory) Tepper has direct access to(supposedly) knowledgeable football people and an entire interview and background process. He has much better tools for success at his disposal than we do. That doesn't assure success but repeatedly failing at this task is generally a hallmark of poor ownership and management.

In fairness, we can make some "win now" moves and lead to us winning. Really, we are a good HC and a decent QB away from being NFC South favorites. Now, a great team?? That is gonna take some more building.

Gano has been lights out since we kicked him to the curb. It's a Panthers tradition at this point. The only one we haven't regretted is Joey fuging Slye.

My anonymous source specifically named your anonymous source and said he was a liar. Also said that your breath smelled like stale Cheetos. I'll never give up my source. I will never give up @Jeremy Igo

I am not sure how anyone is making that statement with no coach and staff on board yet.

Yeah, this is Pinero and it's not really that close. Zane was a solid kicker but Eddy just put up one of the best kicking years in franchise history.

Johnson or Steichen are at the top of my list. Excited to see so many good candidates.

Carr at $35/year? So I assume this is Darnold at $0/year? Otherwise that math isn't correct.

I mean, that sounds about right for the basis of your argument. Try watching some Derek Carr film at some point. There is no comparison.

Yeah, I mean I really just don't think you actually have watched Carr this year or any year if you think that.

There isn't even a comparison between the two QB's. Carr is in the group of QB's just behind the elite QB's in the NFL(three time Pro Bowler) and Darnold would be considered a mid-tier backup at best. Not to mention that Carr's three worst NFL seasons would be close to Sam Darnold's best three in QBR/QB Rating. The statistical comparison on averages alone makes this insanely laughable. Carr would immediately make the Panthers(depending on HC, obviously) the prohibitive NFC South favorite. But......the price tag is likely to be high. And will the owner buy off on another re-tread QB after the past few offseasons?

Yeah, this is literally what I am talking about.

I don't mind it as much because I tend to lean heavily towards the players on the labor issue. That said, I don't know that I would want Lamar on a fully guaranteed deal either.

The issue is that you can get a decent tight end that can do what you are describing in the 2nd to 4th rounds. So....why spend a top 10 pick on that guy? If you want a Kittle or Kelce, that is worth a top 10 pick. But....you better hope he is that guy. Ultimately this is about drafting way, way, way outside of positional value. The only time that ever really makes sense is for a truly elite, HOF caliber player. Positional value exists for a reason....it's literally set by the current value in the NFL.

The bigger issue is that you are angling for an elite guy worth that pick and there are maybe 3-5 of those in the NFL at any one time. Those are really the only guys that are worth that kind of draft capital. So, you REALLY need to nail that pick.

Lamar is the next one to watch on that. He wants a fully guaranteed contract and the owners are getting pretty upset about these fulluly guaranteed deals. If he gets his way, you might see even more of them.

Okay, "bottomless" is a poor choice of words. It's more about managing how the cap hits fall. That can theoretically be done forever.....if most of your gambles work well and you make the right choices. It only takes one Michael Thomas or CMC level decision to make a large impact to your cap when you weren't anticipating it. Which, we need to keep this in mind because we have a guy like Burns who is going to need a deal very soon and this on the tail of signing Moore to a big deal. Or even a guy like Jackson who we signed to a decent sized contract who may never be the same player again after that injury. It is events of that nature that can start to poke holes in your overladen ship.

You are doing the classic thing that you do, inventing arguments in your head that I am not making. You can take what I said at face value or just fill in the blanks with whatever is bouncing around in your head. I will let you continue that argument with yourself.

It is a loophole. It is an accounting trick built in to the way the salary cap works. It just took some longer to figure out how to exploit it and invent to ways to abuse it. Hence why there have been discussions in owners meetings and league meetings about restricting the ability to use void years the way they are currently being used. Yes the void years immediate hit when they leave. The intent of the void years is to buy time to lessen those impacts(like making space with other salaries by creating void years in their contracts). You don't escape the money hitting the cap, you just tightrope walk the line of being able to space those hits out and still afford the talent necessary to win. It's a bet that the cap will keep increasing and that you will be able to mete out the big contracts accordingly so that you don't end up in Hurney cap hell.