kungfoodude

IDK why people consistently fight against the idea that this is the 2nd worst roster in franchise history. It just is what it is. No reason to freak out. Evaluate the players in 2025, move on.

Jesus Christ....how is this misdiagnosed???

6.5 is a solid line. 6-7 wins is reasonable. I would bet that under too. I would have said that 2 months ago, though.

All you have to do is look at rosters and this becomes abundantly clear. It's easy to live in a Panthers bubble but the state of #2 and #3 QB's in the league at the moment is quite bad. People just chimp out because Dalton isn't the prime version of himself. Well no poo. He is literally statistically the best backup QB we have had that has started 1+ games per year since Anderson. If Dalton is what people are worried about, this season is so far gone that you may as well tune out until 2026.

Eh, we look mildly worse than I expected. Technically this doesn't matter so I sm not stressing it. But, people need to understand that the bar is still quite low for us. Watch the players, see if the core expanded/improved. If so, that's enough.

I would disagree. He is likely one of the better backup QB's in the NFL. NFL fans have a misconception of NFL backup QB's that they will all be the Jake Delhomme, Kurt Warner or Nick Foles. That just isn't reality. Winston is a guy that is fun to watch for a few drives per game while being largely responsible for the crippling loss you are about to have. It's fun but the results are the same or worse than Dalton. Dalton had a ton of VALUABLE experience, he is essentially a mentor for Bryce and an option to moderately competently run a subpar offense if/when he falters. That is it. There is no savior. There is no silver bullet. This is what we are for 2025. The sooner we accept this, the better.

He isn't. He is a 40 year old guy that can on occasion catch a glimpse of past glory, literally a 3 year older version of Andy Dalton. The die is set. People need to quit pretending like this is salvageable if Bryce doesn't pan out. It's absolutely lightspeed delusional to even look past Bryce in 2025. If he doesn't pan out, it's 2026 that is the next step. I have zero idea why people haven't accepted this for months now.

No, they really aren't. Gabriel and Pickett are PS players at their extreme ceiling. Sanders could be a #3 and Flacco is a poor man's Dalton. None of their QB's are worth even a casual look.

Also, to be abundantly clear, Jack Plummer has NEVER been a rosterable NFL QB. That was Huddle/Kyle Allen BS to the nth degree. It says a lot about our QB situation that people pine for guys like Allen, Walker, etc. Much less proven bums like Darnold. Poverty franchise thought.

I generally don't think so. The Browns roster is basically multiple #3 QB's.

Dalton can actually be moderately competent enough to evaluate the players on the roster. Plummer cannot. At the point where we are going Dalton, the entire season is on evaluating the remaining roster.

No reason to cut Dalton, TBH. There are no better options. #3.....I don't think we should even have a #3 QB. It's not a position important enough(hold on, I will explain). At the point we are past Dalton, it's all gone to poo anyway so just deal with whatever is available.

So, just to be clear....we actually had MFers that were talking about replacing Dalton with Plummer. El Oh El

4-7 wins was my projection anyway. It's really about how the players look. This was destined to be a lost season.

Heat could be conditioning or well...."lack of proper hydration" if you get my drift. Scourton should not be having heat related issues given that he played at A&M. Now, that is unless he has had a history of that. That's the one thing about that, the more it happens to you, typically the worse it gets.

Well they did move the goalposts at WR and that largely fuged Smitty and others. I would also point out that after 30 years we do just have 7 winning seasons and we are quickly descending down the all time franchise winning percentage ranks(26th). Our fans had a lot of pride back in the day, the franchise has pretty much sapped that out of the bulk of the fanbase at this point. I mean, imagine how fuging insufferable a bunch of yappy, arrogant Panthers fans would be at the moment? It would be embarrassing.

I think you are just having some selective memories. Steve Smith, Julius Peppers, Greg Olsen, Cam and plenty of others got lots of national love. We never got Dallas Cowboy QB hype but if that is what you want, you have to basically win titles and have extended periods of success to accomplish that. Remember that New England was largely a joke prior to the Belichick era. We had respect, although it was sometimes fleeting. It's most assuredly all gone now.

Somewhat true but somewhat not true. Remember the cover of Sports Illustrated and the infamous declaration of us being SB champs. During Fox and Rivera we were largely a respected team. We had household names periodically during those times. We had national respect as a tough team more often than not. Hell, we had DMVP's, All Pros and even a league MVP. We did have all that stuff. But we never got over the hump. And now, yeah, that is all gone. There is no reason at all to respect us. The sad truth is, if we hadn't traded up to take Bryce Young, we wouldn't even have anything at the national level worth even paying attention to. The franchise has worked very hard and long to descend to the level we are at now. You can thank all the hard work that David Tepper did completely deconstructing everything the franchise built for more than two decades before he arrived. So, any Panthers fan talking respect at this point. Good luck. There will be none until it is earned on the field. That's just how it is.

This has all happened before. Baby GOAT, Sam Darnold, Matt Moore, Will Grier, etc. People just want to believe in these borderline NFL players whenever there is any issue at starting QB.

Pivoting from Bryce after a disaster year(which is the only way that happens) is very unlikely to entail any sort of trade option. I mean, what "favorable contract with high upside" would there even be?

Yeah, we all hope. But that era isn't assured. Regardless, PJ Walker was a 3rd QB at best. This is an absurd thread.

I mean....I have no idea why the backup QB matters when we are still attempting to find a surefire starter.

Well TMac is in a very suspect offense and technically Egbuka is potentially a #3 WR in that offense. That is way more gamble than I would take being ranked like that in fantasy football.

Not really much of Breer's own take in that video. Seems to be largely what the coaches are saying that he is reporting. It does give some good insight into where their heads are at.

That's a massive bet on some things to really change or maybe that Godwin doesn't recover quickly. Don't get me wrong, I like that Egbuka kid a lot and he is probably going to be the ultimate replacement for Evans but that is a wild thing to say. TMac is wild too. It's assuming a lot about what our offense actually ends up looking like. AT has been the only real mildly significant fantasy WR since Bryce got here. I wouldn't bet on TMac being a fantasy stud in year 1.