kungfoodude

IDK what the point of even bringing him up is anymore. He is very clearly a bust. Time to move on.

I wasn't a big fan coming in. Some of the same reasons he struggles with now. He just doesn't see the field well at all. Even when he does, he cannot consistently make the throws. Million dollar talent, ten cent processing ability. It happens. The teams that keep doing this to themselves are just nuts.

Bryce had zero ability to elevate the guys around him.

There is nothing more to see nor had there been anything to see for a couple of years. He is fuging atrocious. His best bet is to convert to a TE/WR/something. QB is just never gonna happen for him.

Kyler is a realistic option for the Cardinals to trade without nuking their salary cap. Attempting to trading Lawrence is an instant H-Bomb to Jacksonville's cap and will cause an unbelievable mess for them. Now, that said, what Kyler being traded to us would immediately accomplish is fuging up our cap without a really big overhaul of his contract. So, in the case that we decided to make this move, it's not likely a prove it deal, it's a long term marriage. That ain't smart.

This isn't really a QB tank worthy draft, TBH. Loaded with #2 QB's.

There are literally two starting QB's in the NFL as we speak that are averaging less than Bryce. Justin Fields at 153.2 and Dillon Gabriel at 124.1. Both also have a lower QBR and a worse winning percentage. Bryce is atrocious but it can indeed get worse.

I without question, without equivocation, vehemently disagree. I don't need to see an infinitely more talented player perform substantially worse than Bryce. That's a goddamn nightmare.

This is exactly what I mean. There is no excuse for him to be this insanely bad. That isn't a better scenario.

Yeah and that's great for them but you also need to realize that we are literally a worse version of that now.

And I am sure that we have a few old triple option fans here but that's not the NFL nor does it work, as he has proved at every single stop in the NFL. He is a poor man's The Golden Calf of Bristol.

I think everyone in the NFL would be shocked to see them be that insanely stupid.

I am here to tell you, it can 100% get worse so that's not a smart thing to say or put on us as a franchise. Think about how many times during the Tepper era that phrase was uttered about ao many aspects of this team. Tepper finds a way.

Oh I would trade Jones if I was SF. He is valuable. Very at that contract price. Yeah but I don't think they would want Bryce, he isn't cheap at all for a 3rd string QB. Plus, is Mac Jones really worth a 2nd/3rd to us and THEN have to pay this MFer out the ass? TBH, I wouldn't want that. It's a waste of valuable draft capital for a very middling QB that is likely to now want more than he is worth by a significant margin.

This is genuinely why I come to this place rather than Twatter or fuging Reddit. Those guys are largely a bunch of Johnny come lately's that showed up later down the line(no shade to actual young fans here) or showed up after a Super Bowl appearance or success. The OG's are the real ones I want to fight, bicker and debate with. We were the guys that went through all this poo, no matter who liked what players or coaches or whatever. We all shared the full fuging experience of being a Panthers fan. All the highs, all the lows and the BS that still makes me come to this fuging place Zod created.

I mean....I just watch because I have been doing it for 30 fuging years. Tepper has slowly robbed me of the wishing for playoffs. I just watch because I have been doing it for so long.

That's why I want to bring in a good/solid veteran backup and either a bust QB like Lance/Wilson/Howell/etc or a rookie QB. Get some options and see what happens.

Fields has played in the NFL for 4.5 years now. He only has one of his 4.5 seasons that would eclipse Bryce Young's lowest season passing yards per game average. His career average in 58 games is 153.8. The Fields guys have always wanted to see an even more unwatchable version of Bryce Young. One with literally every physical advantage that could possibly exist for a QB.

Did we release Matt Stafford? Ya'll do watch the NFL, right?

If you go "new" Browns(1999-Present) verus Tepper era Panthers, we are currently significantly worse than Cleveland by most measures at this stage in their history. Winning percentage, QB's started, HC's, GM's, etc.

Given the trade recently, I have to assume they are tanking. Tyrod is better than Fields. I mean, Mike White is probably better than Fields.

He isn't the odds on favorite for MVP.

I am fine bringing in Trey Lance. I am not fine bringing in Trey Lance with the expectation that he starts. Bring him in as a backup or bring him in to compete. Those scenarios are fine.

Murray, Russell Wilson, Flutie, etc. All smaller than Brees. Being small isn't the issue. Not having elite physical skills and also not having elite....well....anything, is the problem.

What logic exists that could explain trading a guy that is performing very well in your offense for a guy that has been atrocious in the NFL for....twice the price? Are you sending them draft picks too?? This is maybe the most illogical trade idea I have seen here this season, and that's saying a lot.