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Yeah, probably not the path I would have chosen either but I also don't think it's that big of a crutch. It's pretty easy to get out with fairly minimal impact after next season.

Yes, it was very intentional. I do view him as the 5th or 6th best WR on this roster.

Want to compare the rest of their stats? I notice your flaw is that you take one data point and assume that is the full picture. You don't seem to be the sharpest, that's fairly obvious. Can't seem to be able to understand the "eye test" either.

Check out the Game Center under Stats and you will see an actual breakdown of the production for those zones.

NFL Next Gen Stats I have a spreadsheet I made of all the data for his career for everything up to the past 2-3 games.

Just like TMJ and Mingo, right?

For his passes in zones? LOS LOS-10 10-20 20+ ?

I am aware. It's gonna be an interesting decision cycle on "The Bryce Question." I don't think there are many good answers, unfortunately.

Or 2nd and 3rd round for "need" players at the position. Hell, the top centers have been available in those rounds most drafts.

LLM's always make a ton of mistakes.

We should be trying to solve the center issue once and for all, if possible. Outside of that, we should always be drafting OL to help get the depth upgraded or groom future OL starters, IMO. I get that we have way, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too many holes on the roster to just focus on that one area(a roster strength, at that) but I have a personal philosophy of taking at least one OL in just about every draft, if not more than one.

I think they keep the 5th and we get the conditional 7th back.

XL is very clearly a bust. You try to upgrade over him in the offseason in some fashion(free agency, draft, etc) and get the overall WR Corps improved. If you have a role for him on the depth chart after that, fine. If not, pursue trades or releasing him.

Well Bryce wouldn't be off his rookie deal until 2028 and its likely his big cap hits(assuming a top 10 QB contract) wouldn't start really hitting until 2029 at the earliest and 2031 at the latest if it is structured like a lot of the last couple of waves of big QB contracts. A healthy chunk of this core OL will be gone by the time his cap situation gets dicey. A smart team would have good replacement OL on various years of their rookie deals for a healthy chunk of the other four OL spots(assuming Ikey gets a big, long term deal). Mays is unlikely to get significant interest as a starting NFL center, if I had to guess. This is a mirror scenario to BC last offseason where a large part of the Huddle dramatically overvalued his marketability.

@LinvilleGorge would it be possible for the mods to start merging some of these rather pointless and redundant Bryce reaction threads into this one? I mean....it's a little messy at the moment.

I wouldn't mind having him back but it would be in a reduced role from when he left, IMO. TMac and Coker should be your biggest two WR options. It would be nice to have another reliable big WR target behind Tremayne. A top three of TMac, Coker and AT would be pretty slick. Especially with Horn Jr. adding a little juice and Tremayne adding some solid play. That's a pretty damn good top 5 WR group.

Moton would be gone by then, Ikey likely on a big deal and it's likely one or both of Lewis and Hunt will be gone due to finances or performance drops. Mays will likely never see 6-8 mil/year here. He is a backup caliber player and has roughly the same valuation as BC. We should not be either relying on him as a long term starter nor paying him like one, as he is essentially a backup player. An extremely valuable one like BC but not one with a lot of free agency heat, I would imagine(like BC). You can't be paying backup IOL like starters. It's not smart.

That's mostly me. I came into the season basically believing he was not ever going to be the guy but with a little bit of wait and see. It didn't take long of me seeing before I saw he was the same guy he has largely always been. Maybe in some future scenario 3-5 years from now he is confident enough to be a decent NFL QB. I don't really want to be the team waiting for that to happen. Let his 3rd, 4th, 5th or whatever team be the ones that figure it out.

@CanadianCat Soft paywall: https://www.matchquarters.com/p/carolina-panthers-safety-blitz-ejiro-evero That seems to be the best thing I can find that is actually in depth. Lots of surface level stuff but nothing about what really makes his version of that Fangio-esque defense unique to him personally.

That's what I mean, so basically more on Evero himself. Let me see. There was a good breakdown of this on a podcast from a Denver podcaster in a collab effort when Evero was hired on. I don't remember the podcast, though. Nor if it is even around anymore. Might have been @ellis's podcast, maybe??

You mean just Evero in general?

In theory, the Broncos should have significant advantages over most teams considering most of their training happens at altitude.

Yeah, he is such a hot and cold QB. Even the highs are typically fairly low(speaking specifically 2024 end of season run). It's easy to point to his 400+ yard outing and being the franchise record holder for single game passing but when you look at the 26 of 40 career starts of less than 200 yards passing, it's hard to have a very rosy view of the body of work. If we were staring down a significantly better 2025 season in terms of actual performances, it would be a different story. That would show some progression is happening, albeit maybe at a glacial pace. But, that isn't what has happened. He's been modestly better than his first two seasons in most categories. Does this show improvement? Arguably so but the pace is going to lead us into a very, very difficult position even if it continues at a linear scale. You will end up in the 2026 or 2027 offseason having to make a long term decision on a MAYBE bottom 10-12 QB. And that is assuming continual progression and no regression or plateau. I just don't think there is enough to invest in this situation long term. The bones of Bryce the QB aren't solid enough to build a franchise caliber QB, IMO.

It is indeed May 1st. So they will get some free agency and also the draft if "better" options are found. I do think they will likely make that decision far earlier, however. Ultimately, if you don't pick up the 5th year option, it makes much more sense to try to move Bryce. It's better for him and us, IMO. Let him get a fresh start and another team get the option to decide on that 5th year before the deadline.

Yeah, I suppose if he was at 250+, 3+ TD's and 4-0 it wouldn't make much sense to NOT pick up the 4th. I am in the camp of not really being concerned about the "WELL IF HE LEAVES HE WILL BE GREAT ELSEWHERE" scenarios. I just don't see that being the case. Hey, I am happy to be right(I was an OG Byrce stan), then to be wrong(I am completely off the Bryce bandwagon) and then find out I was right in the first place. It would be much better for him to just suddenly figure it out and be an NFL QB. I just don't think that is going to be the case. At best, he seems like he may slowly be developing into a middling #2 QB. That's not a good return on a #1 overall draft pick.