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Who is thinking, "We are good with Bryce" that has a functional brain? Jones is also clearly a broken toy. We don't do well with broken toys.

Yeah and he succeeded at an even higher level in LA with an even better surrounding cast. Goff is a guy that isn't really able to dramatically elevate players around him but he can make a good situation even better. He is capable of that. Some QB's aren't. I am not sure Dak is able to do that and he is in a similar "class" as Goff, IMO.

I think he is just drawing a DC to them line and that's about as far as his thought process went. It makes almost no sense outside of that. Also, it doesn't make sense for Pittsburgh or Seattle at this juncture either. I think our "veteran" pool is basically gonna be the Dalton/Flacco tier or the "pick your poison" options of young busts(Jones/Z. Wilson) or wild, TO prone gunslingers(Darnold/Winston/etc). We have the option to pursue I genuinely believe(depending on the way the rest of this season goes), we either draft a QB in the top 10 or resign Dalton. Outlier third option on taking one of the wild gunslingers that Dave feels like he can work with.

I know, if you look at how he played in LA vs. Det. , it hasn't changed much at all. Frankly, had nothing changed and Matt Stafford is still there, I am not sure they don't already have a trophy in Detroit. Goff gets way too much credit in Detroit for turning them around. QB was never the problem with Stafford. The team and coaching had to get better and they finally did. Agreed on Goff. Give me Matt Ryan or Kirk Cousins or fuging Dak Prescott. I can deal with an upper tier guy that you question if he can ever break through to a SB. It's a damn sight better than watching a QB that you wonder if he is going to be in the NFL in 2-3 seasons.

Unfortunately, 23 games into his career we have yet to see that happen. IMO, there is nothing else to see. I cannot recall a first round QB ever looking this bad and then subsequently recovering to have an even NFL average starting QB career. He is very clearly a backup caliber QB at his extreme ceiling. We were wrong. A lot of people ended up being wrong. It just is what it is.

And it remains to be seen if Goff has that ability or not. Plenty of very good QB's like Goff were not able to get over those playoff humps. Matt Ryan, Kirk Cousins, etc. You can still be an upper tier QB and never get over that hurdle. McVay just thought(and hasn't been wrong yet) Goff was never going to be that guy.

You literally simply have to think logically for either of those guys. Smith is locked up on a deal for 2025, so we would have to trade for him or he gets cut. Neither of those scenarios are likely in the first place. Wilson will be 37 in 2025. Why on earth would he have any interest in a situation that is far worse than he was given in Denver and wasn't able to win there? He's a guy that can drop into any ready to win franchise in the NFL and immediately elevate their chances of winning(provided they already have QB issues). Frankly, that is either speculation that even David Newton should be embarrassed by or it shows how disconnected with reality some people in our organization are. I do agree with him on getting a veteran QB, however. That's our best chance to keep developing our talent.

I am setting my expectations extremely low because it's such a very tough introduction to the NFL. Honestly, IDC what he looks like in 2024 if it ends up being bad. 2025 is what matters. Full offseason, healthy and practicing with the team and without a serious injury that you are just recovering from. That's where we need him to shine.

Neither of those guys is helping develop our budding offensive talent nor are they doing much more winning than Bryce. Also, I am skeptical we see Bryce here in 2025, so that's not even a real consideration. If your goal is to run the triple option, Fields is the dude all day long, however.

If we start turning the ball over(highly likely with Bryce) then it could get ugly. That's the only way I think it could be 20+. I do think Bryce gets yanked in the second half for Dalton, however. This is the game he loses his job to Dalton for the rest of the year. Canales was right when he said it last. Andy still gives us the best chance to win any game. I don't know what to think of KC. On the one hand, they seem to find a way in most of these games to prevail, so they obviously are a very mentally tough team(see the 49ers blowing leads left and right) but this is overwhelmingly the worst season in Mahomes career. Frankly, he has been in the bottom third in the NFL all season. That's strange.

I mean.....his guy has to be someone willing to come so Geno Smith is out. If you mean RUSSELL Wilson, that is laughable. Fields and ZACH Wilson are just basically the beginning of the end. These aren't likely to be Geno Smith turnarounds. Fields is further proving that he just isn't much more than a gimmick player. Zach Wilson still probably needs a year or two under some better circumstances before I would consider him a candidate for being a turnaround. He is just jumping straight back into the NY Jets fire here.

This is factually incorrect. He was a two time Pro Bowler with the Rams and in fact statistically he was better with the Rams in his best season there than he has been with the Lions(could change with this season). Some of his per game stats have creeped into being marginally better with the Lions but there have not been dramatic differences in his play, actually. The biggest reason that McVay and he ended up splitting was McVay didn't think he could win a title with Goff. TBH.....so far he was 100% correct. Stafford almost immediately won them a SB and Goff in a historic run was about 70% of the reason the Lions faltered in the NFC championship game. He missed critical throws all over the first half and throughout the second half that he normally wouldn't. He choked. So, until Goff actually does win a SB...McVay has been right.

He will likely remain unsigned the remainder of this season(barring someone being in a pure QB panic AND making poor decisions) largely due to the cost. I do think he will get multiple offers to be a backup QB and perhaps a couple to potentially start this offseason. I will continue to beat the same horse over and over.....he should go to a successful team with an established starter. If I were him, go to somewhere like SF, LAR, etc. Somewhere with a successful QB coach and brilliant offensive mind and ALSO a set situation at QB. Ride the pine and adjust for a year or two. Chill and be around better culture. I would suggest the same for Bryce but he will be limited to wherever we can trade him.

So you are predicting a Panthers victory?

3rd

TO's would upset me. We can't have a player that is sketchy with the ball. Plus, I don't think that was an issue for him in college as he had zero fumbles lost his entire career.

I don't think it will be a complete stomping at all. That's not really the 2024 KC team. They have only scored 30 points once this season(shootout versus TB) and their biggest margin of victory has been 13(vs. the Saints). I guess they clearly show better versus the NFC South but not THAT good. Not by their recent years standard.

The question is, can he survive to get to that third year? I suspect next year is also going to extend our streak of losing seasons so Tepper is going to have to be much more patient than he has been so far. I rather doubt Canales makes it far into season three, if he even makes that if he isn't close to .500 after 2025.

Yeah, this is the least talented defense in franchise history. Hard to beat him up that badly.

Some very rosy takes for a backup RB in his first NFL game versus an elite rushing defense. I damn sure hope that you guys are right.

Well you are saying 15th which would be average, correct? I would say he is, at very, very best average. Truthfully, the eye test(his entire college and NFL career) shows slightly below average arm talent, IMO. I guess we will see how it all turns out.

I work in NY periodically and deal with city folks and country folks there. Different vibe, sure. Brian Daboll is Canadian, however.

Well, as referenced in this very thread, there are only two active OL above 34 years of age. So, it is very possible that this could he his last contract, given that he will be 29 at the start of next season.

Why would you take a failed QB from a bad team and think he would fare better on a far worse team? Did it work with Teddy? Dalton? Baker? If he needs rehab from addiction to sucking, we are not the place for it. This is a Hoover factory.

Rebuild???? Retool??????? We are BUILDING at this point. Ain't nothing left to rebuild from.