kungfoodude

This is an insane post.

Learning how to win is better than good draft position. Truthfully, it isn't about position, it's about evaluation. We suck at the later. Until you fix that issue, position will never matter at all.

Mid to late is the time to gamble on a QB but I honestly wouldn't. Take a gamble on an OL/DL/special teams guy which actually fill a big need. It's cheap and easy to get a mediocre 3rd string QB every offseason.

It is highly unlikely he ever becomes top 7 in this class, TBH. It's a strong class and he is not a strong player. He is also near last in that group in drops and catch %. Again, it isn't just stats, he struggles with aspects of his game that a lot of these guys don't.

Sure, if you don't count another 1k WR taken two spots after XL in the 2nd.

IMO Xavier Legette: Very up and down season, with more downs than ups. The hands/body catcher thing is a MASSIVE red flag. He has all the talent in the world but if you are this deficient in your fundamentals, it is a very steep learning curve at this level. I suspect we are going to be talking about him as another failed Panthers WR pick in another season or two. Jonathan Brooks: What more could be said that hasn't already been said? I feel for the kid but taking a RB in the 2nd round is not smart. Taking a RB coming off an ACL tear is WILDLY moronic. One of the worst draft decisions in the Tepper era. Trevin Wallace: A developmental pick taken a little higher than he should have been and inconsistent when he saw action. Overall, he showed some flashes and should be a part of our backup/rotation for another season or so to develop. Hopefully he becomes a starting caliber player by season three. JT Sanders: Terrible start to his rookie season that quickly evolved in a meteoric rise but subsequently fell off the map after a scary injury. Absolutely should be a featured player on this offense for years to come. Possibly the best TE since Greg retired. The Rest: About as expected. Some decent flashes from Smith-Wade but these are all backup level players, so anything we get is great. There are no "busts" after the 4th round.

TBH, XL probably should have made that switch in college if he was capable of being a defender. He would be a wild safety.

But we aren't in the era of rookie WR's struggling, especially first round guys. Look at the 8 WR's in this 1st round alone. The only three with under 700 yds receiving are XL, Worthy and Pearsall. It's also a group that is about to have its 4th 1000+ yard WR so far.

Yes, which is what everyone does every draft. As I stated, this draft appears to be a pretty big QB stinker. Remember the notoriously poor class prediction on the 2022 QB class? Well as it stands only one of the QB's drafted(Mr. Irrelevant, Brock Purdy) is likely to see a second contract with his draft team. Literally every other QB drafted is on another team and a backup just two years later. This draft isn't that far off, aside from perhaps Sanders and Ward.

I am not calling any of them a bust yet. I am just saying it looks a lot like 4th-7th round guys that we took. Being so insanely fundamentally flawed(XL) is really a pretty bad start. Especially for a guy that was in college for 5 years.

Yeah, I was REALLY not a fan of this draft outside of Sanders and very unfortunately my initial reaction has been accurate. Quite a few Huddlers were bullish on the Coker signing but I never put much stock in any UDFA. Potentially huge pickup for us there. I just hope we show a lot more competence in the next draft so we can shake the stink off of the rest of the Tepper era draft picks.

Absolutely not.

Eh....this probably isn't the draft for that. This draft seems heavy on 3rd string QB's.

Hence why I said he is better suited to being a backup/4th guy. Let him attempt to develop in that role. He is a driver killer extraordinaire in a 1-3 role.

I think people are really underestimating how bad XL has been.

This is rough. Tokarski is doing what he can. Sloppy AF.

Wallace should have never even seen the field outside spot play. Injuries did that. He's a long term developmental guy, not someone we should have had to press into that kind of early action. You hope he shows flashes by the end of his rookie deal and works his way into the lineup.

I would assume Shaq and Corbett are likely gone. Brooks we may never appreciably see again. Brown, Wallace and XL should be healthy

Yeah, I mean we are as likely to fug up a #1 pick as a #20 pick. Win games. The draft will be what it is. Ain't nothing changing that until we replace just about everyone in that building.

I would still rather win a couple of games in this last 3. If we can't beat either Tampa or Arizona, I will go full tank mode for Atlanta. Which means we will win that game, obviously.

And he will likely be banged up over his career in the NFL but will always be able to produce when healthy because he is such a fundamentally sound player. This is the polar opposite of XL. His fundamentals are almost nonexistent. Those are things we have to attempt to develop. Sadly, these are the traits of a Day Three pick, not a first rounder. Once again, I very much doubt history will be kind to taking a halfcourt shot on a high potential, extremely low floor player over a polished, NFL ready WR. I hope XL makes me eat those words but this just seemed like such a no-brainer move at the time. Same with the Frazier move over Brooks. The only pick I liked in this entire draft was Sanders. TBH, he was the only one that came close to proving his value, for that matter.

We were a team you had to respect, winning or losing. Also, our lows during a lot of those times were often 7-9 seasons versus these 2-5 win seasons that so routinely happen now. Tepper so thoroughly dismantled every aspect of Panthers culture, it is no wonder that we remain a laughingstock.

Graham would be a very capable 3-4 DE, as well.

It's the same level of simple as Coker vs. XL. Excellent fundamentals which lead to more consistent separation and the ability to haul the ball in when it comes their way. XL has none of that. This shouldn't be a surprise, these were knocks on XL coming in.

I think Bryce would really have to crap his pants over the last 3 weeks for that to happen. And/or Dave Canales pull some Matt Rhule wizard magic on Tepper.