kungfoodude

Yeah, I had a feeling that was the case and time has proven me right. Not four years later, here we are substantially worse.

I would day our shitshow will end up being worse. Thanks Tepper.

Seems like once he gets off the scripted stuff, things get pretty dicey. It's not a new trend either, disturbingly.

They probably were on the path to being at least serviceable but that Watson decision really tanked them. They have an elite defense.

Since this was referenced in a thread recently, here is the update. Added Head Coaches and GM's for fun. 1999-2005 Cleveland Browns Starting QB's over that span(9): Tim Couch, Ty Detmer, Doug Pederson, Spergon Wynn, Kelly Holcomb, Jeff Garcia, Luke McCown, Trent Dilfer, Charlie Frye Winning Seasons: 1 Winning Percentage: 0.321 Playoff Berths: 1 Head Coaches(4): Chris Palmer, Butch Davis, Terry Robiskie, Romeo Crennel General Managers(3): Dwight Clark, Butch Davis, Phil Savage Carolina Panthers 2018-2024 Starting QB's over that span(10): Cam Newton, Taylor Heinicke, Kyle Allen, Will Grier, Teddy Bridgewater, PJ Walker, Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield, Bryce Young, Andy Dalton Winning Seasons: 0 Winning Percentage: 0.310 Playoff Berths: 0 Head Coaches(7): Ron Rivera, Perry Fewell, Matt Rhule, Steve Wilks, Frank Reich, Chris Tabor, Dave Canales General Managers(3): Marty Hurney, Scott Fitterer, Dan Morgan

I been saying that for years now. I sat down and compared the 1999-2017 Browns to our 2018-(can't remember the last time I did it) period and we were demonstrably worse early compared to their early era. I will take a look and post again.

My Predictions: Evero likely in latter half of the 2025 season. Dave canned early in the 2026 season. Dan canned at the end of the 2026 season.

This is 100% true. We are 3-4 VERY good offseasons from being a contending team if you look at the roster.

No. No, no, NO. We are terrible at these trade downs. Just don't be fuging moronic and draft well at the pick you have. It's that simple

I mean, I have no idea where you are getting this idea of this being the year of the QB since the supposedly "elite" of this class are either falling on their faces or not making much of an improvement over last year's opportunity to be a 2nd to 4th round draft pick in an already weak QB draft

This. Not that there is ever sureity in a draft but this one looks VERY weak at QB.

I don't think that is purgatory for the upcoming draft. Top 5 would be nice to be able to get some assets trading out of it. It appears to be an extremely weak QB draft.

I suspect that DC will get one more(partial) season with us. I suspect Dan will be shown the door prior to season's end of 2026.

It's also possible that he grows tired of being an NFL owner or sees(likely) that this asset is going to eventually decline in value. I wouldn't bank on the idea that he will be the owner we all know for the next 15-20 years.

It's hard to say. Dave isn't a spring chicken and the spouse ownership of an NFL franchise typically hasn't lasted long. I don't see this being a 20+ year ownership span.

He will never do that because it takes something above a 60 level NFL IQ to accomplish that level of competence. He is forever remain the dumbest owner in the current NFL, as long as he IS an owner.

You will never be able to get him out of decisions. Snyder tried it at one point, it was successful and he reversed course because it "wasn't fun." Tepper thinks he knows better than anyone in the NFL. It's that level of confident incompetence that will always keep the franchise behind the 8 ball

I mean....I get that POV, as well. I don't agree but I don't strongly disagree, for sure.

Dan Snyder 2.0. I have literally been saying this for like 4+ seasons. Same with the Browns 1999-2017 being us from 2018-current. The saddest part is that it isn't like I get any satisfaction from being right about this. We just fuging stink and it all sucks. With no obvious improvement, either.

You can't really tilt things in your favor because the salary cap exists. You can't really tilt things in your favor coaching staff wise if you are a fuging idiot, which Tepper is.

New? I have been saying this for 2+ seasons, bruh.

Matt Rhule's wife has been the best GM under David Tepper. Think about that. Now think about it again.

I get that theory but there isn't a high caliber QB in this draft. Also, Dalton isn't good enough to win a bunch of games. We just need a good enough QB to evaluate other roster talent. Bryce is incapable of that.

Just start Dalton next game. We need to see if this offense is hot poo or Bryce is just not an NFL PS player.

Bryce doesn't have the most help, that's for certain. He also literally almost NEVER helps anyone else on that offense. He. Stinks.