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Trevor has regressed at an alarming speed. You can see Coen visibly frustrated with him during games. Reminds me of Steichen on the sidelines with AR. I will admit that Trevor, although a definite upgrade, would be 100x more infuriating because he literally has zero reason to be as bad as he is. He has almost every elite box checked outside athlete and brain.

Yeah, he is one of the biggest QB busts of my lifetime watching the NFL. Not because he's JaMarcus/Leaf terrible because he was one of the rare "generational" tag guys that ended up being a significantly below average NFL starter. I have always had the sneaking suspicion that he doesn't really have the passion for football at the NFL level.

Bridgewater probably could have been that guy for us. Just be competent until the real answer arrives. People railed against it saying we would never be in position to get another Cam. Then we trade up to get to that position in a panic and end up with Bryce. Grass ain't always greener and Rome wasn't built in a day. 1. Continue to build a good roster. 2. Attempt to upgrade the QB position, even if just incrementally. 3. Keep drafting QB's in the late rounds. 4. Don't be afraid of BPA if it is a QB in the 1st or 2nd at some point but don't reach. If you can do that, eventually you will either become a solid spot for an older veteran QB, you will land a Geno Smith type or you will land "The Guy" through the draft. It's not a quick fix but most of the quick fixes we have attempted under Tepper made us dramatically worse.

I don't know who is or isn't but what I do know is this roster is very short on players that even know what NFL success looks like. That's a problem immediately.

Admitting mistakes. Tepper is utterly incapable of that. He doesn't view his fug ups as mistakes, he most likely views them as others faults for convincing him or not accomplishing what they should have. It's not his fault, it's THEIR fault for failing him.

That's why I immediately bristle in regular life when I hear randos extoling the "genius" of a lot of the technocrat class without actually understanding the realities of those people.

I mean....show me the list of guys that have been in strong locker rooms in the first place? Moton? Wharton? JJ? Mitchell? Corbett? Lewis? Nijman? Robinson? Dalton? Dowdle? Brown III? Rozeboom? Wonnum? Jones? King of Pop? Scott? Martin? Moore? Hunt? Pretty sure that is the entire list of players on our roster who have experienced more than 1 winning season in their NFL careers. Not a joke. Notice how many are backups or special teams.

IDC what flavor of coaching background, just don't hire an obvious scam artists(Rhule) or people in way over their heads(Rhule/Canales) or head coaches that you give a list of people they have to hire(Reich). We have made just about every possible mistake hiring a head coach. Whatever your instincts are, Dave, immediately do the exact opposite.

I disagree. I do think Tepper was a predominant driving factor on the Bryce thing. Now, do I believe he was convinced of that by the "braintrust" at the time, including Dan? Absolutely. Tepper isn't going to accept any responsibility for all of these personnel hiring blunders. He is the type to believe that he knows best. It's literally his entire private life that indicates that. If you have ever been around these ultra wealthy types, the one thing they almost all share is that their success in their fields gives them a massive overconfidence in their ability to master areas outside of their expertise. That's David Tepper's NFL ownership in a nutshell.

I have seen maybe 2-3% of his snaps that show it. I don't think he will ever enjoy the game because it involves being passionate about football and getting better. None of that seems to be in his personality. He's just a guy that had a great college season and accidentally ended up here.

Yeah, this "Leadership Council" thing is highly suspect. It feels like a head coach, once again, wanting to be buddies with everyone and not step on any toes. I don't have an issue with a players coach like Ron was a players coach. He had their backs but he also was a strong cultural influence, as well. Also didn't have an issue with getting heated, calling people out, etc. Now his version of accountability was sometimes dubious but....

Any of the Dave Canales stans.....this is as big of a red flag as you could have. It took multiple seasons of Mike McDaniels to start seeing this type of poo pop up. Now we are getting it 1.5 seasons into his tenure here. It's all over, boys. This guy is already losing the team and somehow managing to do it while winning.

Baker was so clearly us being the problem on a complete disaster of an NFL coaching staff. Darnold would never have been successful here. I think he really needed a lot of time on the bench in a stable and very QB development friendly situation like the 49ers and Shanahan. Then another QB friendly situation in Minnesota that just requires him to not fug up with the platinum platter of playcalling and team around him. It has allowed him to finally start to develop. The Tepper era has been rife with hubris and the overwhelming confidence of a crowd of complete and utter idiots.

I mean, I am ready to move on to Dalton and then FA trash heap already this season. You know I would have relegated him to 3rd string by now. But, I don't think that is the way it will work out for us. If it takes the rest of the season of watching Bryce be himself to convince Tepper(most likely the last remaining unconvinced party) that we need to move on, by all means, sign me up for the rest of the season with Bryce. The last thing any of us want at this point is a further financial commitment to having Young on this team. Ideally, we move him in the offseason.

Baker was never at any point in his career a bust except maybe with Carolina, in which we set him up to fail to save the coach/GM. Darnold appears to potentially be a new Geno. I would give it at least another season before I am ready to make that leap. Another guy that would have never been successful here. Jones was never a true bust, IMO. Average to below average starting QB. Also his "ascension" is far from assured. This was far more fan hype as a "bust" than actual reality, IMO. Still TBD, ultimately. MAC Jones is the same middling game manager QB he was in New England but in a Kyle Shanahan offense. So, if you think Mac Jones is now a "success" is Brock Purdy an elite QB? Is he middle of the road?

Huddle: "I CAN'T BELIEVE WE TRADED THIS FOR BRYCE YOUNG WHAT A DISASTER!!!" Also Huddle, "WE HAVE TO DO ANYTHING WE CAN TO TRADE UP OR TRADE FOR OUR FRANCHISE QB!! SEND IT!!"

I am not dodging. What is the logical reason to break down a QB class that doesn't exist yet? I will have ample takes on it when that materializes. The NFL has ample gunslingers. Baker, Mahomes, Stafford, etc. The difference being over the last 20+ years there are less and less "WEEEEEE I THROW BALL" gunslingers that are Favre-esque. That's not an accident and basically 32 NFL teams have heavily telegraphed that they don't have any desire to deal with that specific model of gunslinger.

Murray would but those other two guys will absolutely flatten those teams cap. Not realistic or likely. It woulf be far more irresponsible for SF to ditch Purdy, accrue an insane dead cap hit and then sign Jones to a big extension. They could do....nothing. Jones is under contract next year and he is cheap, at that.

Never underestimate this franchises ability to due something extremely stupid. The QB's available aren't likely to improve tremendously just because of the QB contract cycles.

Yes, because you didn't read it.

The Huddle is highly fixated on outlier scenarios which is not particularly productive. Not everyone is Geno Smith. That's extremely rare. I am in the "hedge your bets" camp. Bring in two additional options. Solid veteran bridge/game manager and a younger QB through the draft or from the young bust pile(Lance, Howell, Levis, etc). I would rather throw darts at a dart board than have another Bryce "all in" chip push. Allar would be a solid Day 3 option. Same with Nussmeier and guys like that. It's a very good use of a 5th-7th round pick to try a shot on a QB.

A solid veteran QB that can be at least outside the bottom 20% of NFL starters and a younger drafted QB. I don't have specifics because we have no idea who would be available(or interested) at this point. When that becomes available this offseason, I will definitely post up my "wants." Same with the draft class. I am very down on this class at the moment but it seems deep at #2 QB's.

I am also basing this off of the fact that he has gotten passed around like candy in his extremely short NFL career and the fact that he is largely a 3rd string QB at the moment. The reason they moved on and GOT Daniels was because they recognized he was not going to be a starting caliber QB. Don't forget that he was also part of what was acknowledged to be and almost entirely had been(minus Mr. Irrelevant Brock Purdy) one of the worst QB classes of the past 20 years. This same thing has happened to Winston recently(only 31) after years as a starter. Gets passed around from team to team each offseason and can't even beat Shell of Russell Wilson out as 2nd string QB. This is just the plight of true gunslingers in the modern era. I have discussed this ad nauseum on the Huddle for probably 4-5 years now. It hasn't changed over that timespan. I am fine with bringing them in to compete or be backups/3rd stringers. But you need to have a real QB plan. If that is the primary plan, it's just going to lead to those 30-40% winning percentages that they come with.

Then he is a yes man and he can go, as well. He will never have success if he bows to the whims of a guy that knows less about football than 95% of the Huddle.

Nate Silver's QBERT metric has him squarely as the "Replacement Level" tier.