kungfoodude

You have lost your mind if you think anyone in the NFL would give up 2 1st rounders for CMC. Show me one team that is a RB away from a Super Bowl, has the cap space to take him and the draft picks to spend. Just name a single team. I'll give you a hint, it isn't the 49ers.

I wouldn't have given that up for Adams either. But they also use him in a very unusual way as a pass rusher, so I suppose that was worth it for them. We will see how wise that is/was when we see what his price tag is this offseason or next. The deal they gave him was basically $9.9 mil for 2021. Nothing absurd.

I'd be 100% down for that.

Bad comparison. Kyle Boller was a 4 year player with Cal that had a 47.8% career completion percentage. Boller was almost certainly going to be a bust in the NFL.

Is this the official Fields bump? #Herbert2020

2 1sts for McCaffery is insanely ridiculous. You are talking about almost a Khalil Mack price for a RB. A RB trade of that price hasn't been seen in the NFL since probably the Hershel Walker trade.

Well, let's not get too far ahead of ourselves because we haven't even hit free agency or the draft yet. The opportunities may be there but there is an entire offseason's worth of league moves before we have even a partial look at the picture.

I just realized the "OR" statements are skewed. I will correct that and repost.

I think the coaching staff appears to be unwilling to do that.

Well it isn't just my opinion, it is largely all the successful franchises in the NFL. But I suppose if we take unsuccessful franchises into account, then there is at least a minority of teams that believe it makes sense to waste money on a position of lower value. I wouldn't even argue that he doesn't deserve that money based on Elliott's contract. We just didn't need to be the team that did it. Unsurprisingly, it was the worst GM in the history of the franchise that authored that deal.

https://www.carolinahuddle.com/topic/168088-big-rumor/

I think the fact that we as a franchise want to move on should tell the story if you couldn't see it with your eyes or deduce it from the statistics. He's a journeyman backup QB. That's why this will be the third team in 3 seasons to get rid of him. After all, the Jets chose Sam Darnold and Josh McCown over him, the Saints chose Drew Brees, Taysom Hill and ultimately Jameis Winston over him. What we know is that he didn't lose his job to PJ Walker and Will Grier, so I guess there is that.

$17 mil and $21 mil is not a great backup QB contract, however. I would assume that whoever we trade him to better be convinced he is starting material. I am still thinking we basically have to give up a pick to get rid of him.

I think that depends on how free agency and the draft goes. Shaq is in line to get cut at some point based on that salary but he is also the only real starting caliber NFL LB on our roster(Chinn is destined for safety). If we can't replace him this offseason, it doesn't hurt us to keep him around for one more season until we can replace him. We can't cut all the overpaid players at once and very easily replace them.

This is just one bit of data but the whole of the picture has been pretty clear. Successful teams don't spend mega-bucks on RB's or at least they don't for very long. We have 2-4 more years of interesting data incoming because we have a lot of guys in the past two years that got mega bucks deals and Barkley will probably be another one coming up.

Actually, it was more common back then it was now. Only 12 of those 40 instances are from 2016-2020. It's almost as if the league has decided that you shouldn't spend a lot of money on RB's..... In fairness, there are 7 RB's that will make $8+ mil in 2021 and 6 the two years after. This is of course assuming some of those guys don't get cut during that period, which is likely.

I remember people making that argument at the time. Admittedly, we couldn't have predicted the cap drop but it wasn't hard to predict that making a RB the highest paid in the league wasn't a good idea.

Flat $8 mil. There have only been 40 instances of a RB getting $8+ mil in a season during that period.

Some interesting data I complied from salary cap and production.

That wasn't a good price, however. The argument for extending early IS to get a good price and that simply did not happen. It was an a bad signing at the time and in hindsight it looks a lot worse. Doesn't mean he wasn't worth that money at all, but the timing was idiotic and the amount was directly counter to what the majority of winning teams in the NFL do.

At the moment, it has been far from a bargain at $25 mil paid for three games. He will need to stay healthy and produce for that to be the case. I don't think "bargain" and top paid player at the position are really ever in the same sentence without some serious team hardware to be considered.

It remains to be seen if CMC gets the workload that he did under Rivera or not. 2017 12.3 touches per game. 70% offensive snap count. 2018 20.4 touches per game. 91% offensive snap count. 2019 25.2 touches per game. 93% offensive snap count. 2020(only three games played) 25.3 touches per game. 77% offensive snap count. The snap count in 2020 is difficult to unpack. The only full healthy game he played was at 97% snap count and in the other two he was injured during the game. That makes this pretty difficult to surmise how exactly we would have used him in our new offense. His replacement, Mike Davis, fluctuated from the mid-50's to upper 80's in percentage of snap count.

The market is fluid but we were the team that "set" the current market, as Kamara and Cook's deals followed in the next few months. I don't expect we will see a new highwater mark for a bit after the cap drop. Drake and Aaron Jones are the only real threats this offseason and I don't see record deals being signed in either case. Then you have Chubb, Barkley and Ronald Jones in 2022. It's possible it happens that year but I wouldn't make a substantial bet on it. You never know, we aren't the only extremely stupid front office in the NFL, that is for certain.

It's tough to say what our course will be this offseason. If the Watson rumors are true, you almost have to throw the playbook out the window and just see what the inevitable cost will be before you chart a course in the draft. That is assuming it happens before the draft. If you remove Watson from the equation, you have to tag Moton until you get a deal in place especially with this new chunk of money available to spend. Then I think it comes down to who you really like in the draft at QB. IMO, it's unlikely we get a shot at one of the top 4 QB's in the draft at 8. If you like one or more of those guys, do you package to trade UP rather than trade down? If you decide to stand pat at #8, I think we need to see what is available at LT. If we can land a top 2 OT prospect in the draft, I would be reticent to trade down, as well. I might even make the same argument for an elite CB there. Other than that, I would try and trade into the teens to add some additional picks. Given the dire situation at OL, it would be nice to bolster this years picks and compensatory picks or add some 1st, 2nd or 3rd round picks next year. Ideally, given that this is a strong OL class, I would like to see at least 3 OL drafted in 2021.