kungfoodude

Well, I guess I was wrong. They have done some analysis on the asymptomatic transmission. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200316143313.htm

14 days will certainly hamper the spread significantly, so that is just a ridiculous take. Will it stop it completely? We won't know. All of this information is preliminary so they are adjusting the strategies as new information becomes available. As for the asymptomatic people and the transmission, I have yet to see anything conclusive on how long that period of being contagious would last. I think that is something they are likely studying but I wouldn't expect much in the way of conclusions for a while. I know that at least I am trying to be educated on the issue, read about it as new information becomes available and actually spread that information. All I see you doing is spraying text in here with no sources but pretty hard beliefs. That speaks volumes. Good luck with that.

Well, it hasn't changed him being an asshole from the early reports.

The more I see your posts, the more I am convinced you are just freaking out and that no amount of data will change that. I posted the incubation data and the early data about how long it is contagious. What else do you want?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sciencenews.org/article/coronavirus-most-contagious-before-during-first-week-symptoms/amp

https://www.jwatch.org/na51083/2020/03/13/covid-19-incubation-period-update Some of the preliminary China data seems to back that idea.

TBH, IMO the push towards another great depression will largely be because of these quarantine measures. This virus and the reactions to it are exposing how fragile our economy is. It is also highlighting how deep the problem of income inequality is.

I have actually heard the same from a friend. If they start mobilizing the military and declare martial law, this country is over. Mark my words. And people wishing for this, be careful what you ask for.

Honestly, even with that disorder, changing those other things in your life probably makes you much better suited to fight it than most.

My friend and his GF who were ill went to a hospital in NC. Not surprising.

That might be a bit early on the timeline. It really didn't start taking off in China until late December. That is also a big issue with this virus, the symptoms are basically the same as just about any cold, flu or upper respiratory infection. It doesn't do anything special to make it stand out from a symptom perspective.

I am truly disappointed coming from the internet age and growing up with the internet that people are not more media savvy. It is really unbelievable that even the younger generation cannot have a skeptical view of major media outlets and cannot pick up on the "point of view" that is being delivered. I thought people would get smart to a lot of that stuff, especially coming from the "trolling" generation. But it really hasn't happened.

The best thing any individual person could do is turn off all the news outlets, stay away from Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, etc. Don't use that poo for your information. It is toxic. They are sensationalizing everything and they cannot help it, it's what they have evolved to do and it's our fault as the general public for pushing them in that direction for the past 40+ years. Get your information about this outbreak from the science community, from public health organizations(here or abroad) and other independent science driven entities. They will cut through the BS and just give you data and relatively objective analysis. The panic crush is pushing this whole epidemic.

We likely aren't going to see a vaccine for a long time, if ever.

Well we don't have accurate numbers because we haven't been testing. I had a buddy of mine over and he and his GF got really sick with upper respiratory infections a couple of weeks ago. They tested negative for the flu but they refused to test them for corona. No joke. I am not saying they had it but why not test and start following their trail? We are just dumb. But, on the other hand, people here have been freaking out over almost no cases so I can only imagine the level of panic if they knew the true extent. It is probably better we don't know, sadly.

As I have maintained throughout, the damage to people's livelihoods is a far, far greater risk than anything this virus is doing. People just can't be reasonable, however. Too many have given in to the panic.

That isn't planning, that's reacting. We know these pandemics can happen. N95 respirators, ventilation machines and hospital beds don't have expiration dates.

The CDC maintains a stockpile of critical medicines, vaccines, and medical supplies. Do you honestly and truly believe that they have enough N95 respirators for the over 6,000 hospitals in the US? How about enough ventilators? How about hospital beds? Do you think they stockpile enough for something that could be at a scale like this? Do you think that they would have stockpiled enough whether this virus was here or not? I don't.

Yeah, he made a big mess but we would still be in a mess if he wasn't there. If you don't believe me, go check out the 538 article on ventilators, go ask your local hospital workers if they stockpile supplies for pandemics or do they buy "just in time." Or look at the historic lack of spending on vaccines and vaccine research. It goes a lot deeper than Trump. It is just not something we have prioritized. If I had to guess, even with DemoTrump in office, it won't change after this.

Let's not get off into the weeds on the political spectrum. I am not going to agree with you on this, the facts don't support it and there is plenty of blame to go around. That's something that is more helpful to scream and shout about AFTER we are out of the woods on this virus and it's impacts. Just be sure to remember this when you go to the polls and pay attention to your candidates healthcare views. As I stated earlier, people are going to forget this way too easily and not hold our leaders accountable for being prepared for the next pandemic(which there will be). If you are passionate enough about the subject, then blow up your local congressperson's phone and email about more funding for the CDC and having a comprehensive plan to combat this the next time. That means serious and cohesive planning, that means stockpiling supplies(respirators, hospital beds, ventilation machines, etc), and it means doing the necessary work BEFORE to combat them(working on a general coronavirus vaccine, researching other known coronaviruses that could make the jump to humans, etc, etc).

He deserves to be skewered for his lack of being able to grasp what is going on but that really shouldn't surprise anyone at this point. He literally lives in his own world inside his head. "But the average masks you can buy from a local drugstore aren’t enough to filter out viruses."

He stated two people. Two. If we see a dramatic spike in 20-30 age range being ICU admitted or dying, then I would agree with you. But that is not what the data is indicating. I am not arguing that it CAN'T happen, I am arguing that the risk factors are much, much, much lower for the younger age ranges and especially if you are healthy. Literally every single piece of data so far indicates that is true. And no one should interpret that as meaning there is no risk at all, it just means there is LESS risk.

Yeah, I am sorry and I hate the guy too but this lack of preparation goes across multiple administrations. We have never, EVER been adequately prepared for something like this. That is one truly bi-partisan issue is completely and totally ignoring any sort of preparation for a pandemic. We've seen bad flu seasons(which this will likely mirror) that have overwhelmed our hospitals. H1N1 severely stressed our healthcare system. But people just didn't freak out the same way they are about this. The lack of forethought has always existed.

They can't stop it because the Chinese population really does rely on some of those sources of food. The same is true in Africa or South America. Regulating it would go a long way. We've all seen the pictures of those markets. Can you imagine if that happened in the US? People processing live animals and raw meat without any obvious sanitary measures? They'd be shut down in a heartbeat.

We didn't have months. We've had years. Did anyone forget H1N1(which infected over 20 million people and caused 3900 deaths)? Did we not already see a version of this disease(OG SARS) and another in MERS? We could have been prepared for this, but we weren't. Hospitals don't prepare for worst case pandemic or illnesses. Nor does our government. It is a fundamental weakness.