kungfoodude

The writing was on the wall on draft day. Just another Hurney bust.

Well, Sam is a gunslinger. I don't think whether he is a starter or backup in this league that you are going to see him limit his INT'S. It is the price you pay fornthr gunslinger QB.

I don't think there are many ultra Fields fanboys in the Huddle. I think it's more Darnold skeptics and also the crowd that just wanted a shiny new QB versus a Salvation Army QB. The allure of the unknown commodity QB gets fan bases year after year during the draft.

This is exactly what I mean when I say some people here aren't actually fans if the team at all. If you care more about the "I told you so's" on a fuging internet message board than how the actual team and players perform, you are not a fan of the team. At. All.

KOD incoming if so.....

The Jets would only be embarrassed if Wilson is the new Sam Darnold. Then the spotlight becomes, "WTF are the Jets doing to ruin QB's???!"

TE, QB and likely OL will be below average on offense in 2021. Even so, we have the weapons to be a an upper half of the league offense. The only things that can torpedo us are bad QB play and/or bad OL play. Both are certainly possible.

The "it's not your money" crowd is just plain idiotic. It's basically saying whatever decision the franchise makes is above reproach and we the fans have no right to question. That is completely moronic.

If Darnold is making 100+ mil here the next 5 years then this math basically becomes less relevant. Even if Fields is as good as Darnold, you have your guy finally and you are just glad as a franchise you do. It creates more juggling every offseason but it's a lot easier to deal with that when you have a franchise QB.

Okay, wasn't sure what your bar was for that. I don't personally believe everyone has to be a Peyton Manning type to be successful in the NFL(look at Aaron Rodgers, for instance). Apparently Rhule is VERY vocal and animated, so I am not sure I see that in Darnold. He seems to be a "by example type."

Yeah, IIRC, didn't he have a better offer somewhere else?

TBD. Marshall may not be able to stay healthy or work out. And maybe Anderson isn't as expensive as we believe in free agency. Hopefully they both play well and it's a "good" tough decision like the Curtis Samuel decision was.

Yep. Our Sunshine crowd can't take opinions that don't have a starting 22 of All-Pros and Pro Bowlers but even being down on a player doesn't mean we want the player to fail or team to do bad. Now, there is a small portion that does exist here wishing us to fail because their little internet opinion tiff is more important than seeing the team do well. Those people are not real Panther fans. I have no desire to gloat about being right about Darnold because that means I got to watch yet another season of failure and watch the Panthers slide further down the NFL pecking list historically and currently. As a new season ticket holder, that ain't what I signed up for.

I wish I was that positive about Darnold but I personally believe he is just a standard first round bust QB and isn't likely to improve much more than Teddy did last year from his career averages. We will see what happens in a few months. As for the article, there is no chance of most of that being remotely accurate. Like you said, 32 teams aren't going to have good QB play.

I would certainly disagree with that. Brady and Manning are two examples of very vocal on field leaders. But not all elite or good QB's are vocal leaders, that I would agree with. Some are "lead by example" types. That was where I departed from some of the criticisms thrown at Fields as a prospect. The fact he was quiet or reserved in interviews didn't make me think he couldn't be a leader at QB.

Agreed. Just because I have very little faith in him doesn't mean I won't jump on board if he proves me wrong and becomes "the guy." Success doesn't have to be accomplished the way I want it to, I just want the success.

Yeah, he isn't going to be publicly critical of either of them. Plus, I don't think a lot of players are going to into a situation like that and start trashing a guy even personally unless there is some sort of history. Now, the things that may get said privately between players are a different story.

This is what we want to happen but be cautious translating that sort of arc to the NFL. Transitions like that are definitely not as easy in the NFL. College football is such a skewed system.

If he puts up those stats, he is our QB of the future. Small asterisk for if somehow he does that in a very bad season, which would seem extremely unlikely.

You mean a Cam style leader, very vocal and "Alpha?"

You sort of did. I will say that some of the guys considered "great" QB's definitely benefitted from the situations they were in, like a Terry Bradshaw. I think that was a little true more in the pre-free agency era where keeping a dynasty was much easier.

I can't help you understand what is likely to transpire here. You are just going to have to see for yourself.

So what you are saying is if Darnold fails here, it is because we are a dumpster fire of a franchise and not that he is a bust?

I think that largely eliminates them from being great. That is sort of the difference between great athletes and the good, average or below average guys. They don't need motivation or situations to make them great, it all comes from within. Doesn't mean that people didn't influence that long the way but I firmly believe that you could put Watson, Wilson, Brady, Rodgers or any of the elite QB's in the NFL on just about any team and they would still be great. Classic example of that....Barry Sanders. He was great and had nothing around him....ever.