kungfoodude

Sloppy, sloppy, sloppy.

Maybe it keeps flooding since we got our 6785th inch of rain in the past month.

Well that was Fast.

That's true, it mainly has been.

Yeah but it is just us. That is what is confusing.

I don't think I have seen a game all year where I have seen more of our guys just randomly lose an edge and slip.

We were pretty sloppy in that period. Good thing Reimer went fuging HAM in that period. I don't think he gave up one rebound.

I think adding him probably makes us a winner next year(depending on what we give up). Not sure it would be much more than a 9-7 winner.

I'd put the non-exclusive tag on him if I didn't plan on keeping him. I think there would be a line of teams at that 2 1st round pick price.

Of course I can imagine it. It happened last year. We were actually pretty good offensively still. We rushed for 1704 yards, 19 TD's and a 4.2 YPC average in 2020 and 1819 yards, 20 TD's and a 4.7 YPC average in 2019. It really wouldn't have been the end of our offense. When he went out, a lot of his receiving load just went to Davis and Samuel. Are those guys as good as CMC? Of course not, but we didn't fall off a cliff either. And Mike Davis has 59 receptions last year, so I don't think we would just stop throwing to the RB if CMC wasn't here or doesn't play. The biggest blow to the team is basically the contract size. If he remains here for the rest of his contract, he will likely consistently be in the 4-6 paid players on the roster and that is taking away cap space for much more valuable positions(DE, WR, OL, etc). I suspect he will probably end up not making the end of his contract, however, so we may indeed avoid the bulk of the worst cap hit years(2023/2024). Or, perhaps he produces at an elite level for the remainder of his contract and that will work, as well.

Well that probably had to do with the NFL's worst receivers and a diminished Cam.

I think that largely comes down to the difference between a "running" QB and a "scrambling/mobile" QB. Most of those scrambling/mobile QB's tend to be pretty good at avoiding contact, whereas your running QB's tend to get obliterated(Allen, Vick, Jackson, etc).

I can see an argument to that although the overall numbers significantly favor the 2020 squad. 2003: 169 rec, 2336 yds, 14 TD (13.8 ypc) 2020: 238 rec, 3140 yds, 10 TD (13.2 ypc) I think if we had 2003 Jake Delhomme throwing to these guys, it might be a clear win for the 2020 guys. We'll never know because we had 'ol checkdown. I probably like Smitty and Moose a little over Moore and Anderson but I like Samuels WAY more than Proehl. That is a good matchup, though. One thing I can say, never doubt Smitty. He was the predominant factor in most of those late season losses when the defense was playing so much better and he simply couldn't make plays to get in the end zone. It was telling during that stretch that we were able to win with Walker as QB with how well our defense was performing. As I said, the big problem was that he didn't prove to be a starting caliber NFL QB. He was the same journeyman backup that finished 3rd at the Jets and wasn't asked to return in New Orleans(who appear to want Jameis Winston instead). I didn't expect him to be this clearly unsuited to a starting role. The problem with the "building the team first" road is that you never know when you will have another shot at a franchise QB. In the Watson scenario, it's unlikely you will see that in the next 20 years, since it hasn't happened in the past 40. Guys like that just don't become available at 25 years old. For the draft, well, that just comes down to who your guy is. In one of the biggest ironies of all, had Hurney actually traded up last season, none of these discussions are happening and we'd be looking at one of the bright young stars in the NFL playing for us in Justin Herbert. So if our evaluations say that one or more of these young guys is the one, by all means spend an extra first rounder and some extra picks to go get them. I would never argue against building our OL(our second biggest priority, by a wide margin) or filling out all the multitudes of roster holes which are so painfully obvious. But we can build, build, build but unless we build a truly elite defense(once in a decade caliber) and pair it with a hell of a surrounding cast, we aren't going to win without a very good QB. The instances of that happening recently have been twice with the Ravens and once with Denver. All of those teams were exceptional defensively.

Well he wasn't dinking and dunking enough to get rid of the ball very quickly. Admittedly that may have had more to do with supporting cast. The stats don't lie, however, he did hold on to the ball for a while.

I honestly hope he doesn't because that would probably mean we are using him like Rivera did. The price tag indicates that we NEED to but I also don't want to be seeing him get another 375+ touches again. That isn't a recipe for offensive success, IMO. But we are also wildly speculating with almost no idea what our offense is going to look like in 2021. I think he could have played the last two games of the year but there was no reason. If he was down to him having to play through a fresh high ankle sprain or AC injury, it would have to be a pretty meaningful game. I'm not even sure a wild card game is worth that. It does depend on the scenario, though. Obviously if we are talking Conference championship or Super Owl, you leave it all out on the field.

They are pretty comparable through their first three years. Cam: 11299 passing yards, 64 passing TD's, 1447 rushing yards, 22 rushing TD's Josh Allen: 9707 passing yards, 67 passing TD's, 1562 rushing yards, 25 rushing TD's The truth is, however, Allen accumulated a very large chunk of his passing stats this past season(37 of his 67 TD passes, 4544 of his 9707 passing yards). Cam was much more consistent early in his career than Allen was. So we will see if that was a Wentz-like aberration or if he has ascended to elite status.

The Pass Block Win Rate tells some more of that story. Let's also be completely honest, Cam is always going to tend to get sacked more because he tends to try to make bigger plays. That does force the OL to block for longer(reference his 27th ranked Time To Throw). That is also a criticism you can throw at quite a few of these modern scramblers(Russell Wilson comes to mind).

I do question how big the Watson package would be to the Jets or Dolphins. If we are to believe that the 2nd or 3rd overall pick in this draft is worth at least another 1st round draft pick and additional picks(I have seen it mocked as much as for two firsts), it seems to me like I wouldn't be particularly eager to just give that up so willingly with another two firsts and other picks stacked on top of it. After all, if you just trade down in the draft, you could also potentially gain a fuging haul.

True. He will never be looking at a franchise tag the rest of his career. Nor will he ever be looking at top RB money again. Hurney got us. It sucks for the Carolina Panthers but CMC will make out like a bandit, no doubt about it.

Three first rounders make me cringe for a stud like Watson. Dak Prescott is not Deshaun Watson. I will give credit for making me laugh audibly at the "identify the most god-fearing QB for Cal McNair." That was a genius comment.

He was also throwing the the best WR corps in team history and produced the 6th lowest TD% in team history only behind Kerry Collins(1997), Chris Weinke(2001), Vinny Testaverde(2007), Jake Delhomme(2009), and Jimmy Clausen(2010). And this is while throwing for the 6th most yards in Panthers history. Now, take a good look at those seasons I mentioned because they were all awful QB performances that ended up with every one of those QB's being off the team afterwards(although Testaverde was a band-aid, anyway). In fact the most yardage thrown in one of those performances on that list was the 2124 yards by Kerry Collins in 1997. He didn't even turn out to be a game manager, he turned out to be a backup. Which, we should have known this after the Jets traded him to keep Darnold and a 39 year old Josh McCown and the Saints chose to pay Taysom Hill and Jameis Winston over keeping Teddy.

Nah, style of play is a big factor in both of those guys. Wilson is pretty good at avoiding big hits, Cam relished the opportunity to truck you. The way Cam played the game did contribute to his injuries. But, it's also what made him such a spectacle and one of the most dangerous offensive weapons in NFL history.

New England was 13th in Pass Block Win Rate and 10th in Run Block Win Rate in 2020. The Panthers were 23rd in Pass Block Win Rate and 7th in Run Block Win Rate in 2020. Teddy's Time To Throw was 2.6 seconds(11th in the NFL) and Cam's was 2.84 seconds(27th in the NFL). Pat's allowed 37 sacks, Panthers allowed 36 sacks. Cam's average PocketTime(PFR stat for amount of time before pocked collapses or the ball is thrown) was 2.6 seconds, Teddy's was 2.3 seconds. New England allowed 48 hurries, Carolina allowed 42 hurries. New England allowed 109 pressures, Carolina allowed 111 pressures. I'd say the scheme probably favored us more than in New England and that our OL was definitely weaker.

That is a HUGE logical leap. It doesn't make any sense for these high round picks to play in those idiotic bowl games unless it is in the playoffs. Those things have forever and ever been completely meaningless. I never blame a single one of those kids for sitting out those bowl games. That is not a good example of him not being a team guy. I think it's possible he would hold out but absolutely no chance of that happening during his rookie deal. He really has almost nothing to gain by doing that. If he gets tagged, sure, I can see that.

Physical limitations can definitely be referring to arm. I think that is what the gist of it was.