kungfoodude

Great wasn't the discussion. I would say he was successful.

I think he is also remembered for the player he was. Much like Michael Vick, he was a weapon of a kind that hadn't been seen up to that point. He elevated the franchise when we were floundering.

I disagree a little bit. I think although that price was not high, the cost would hurt a bit if he is a bust here. I wish I had your faith in the move. I definitely hope you are right.

I agree with most of this. I think some of the luster came off Brady last year and he looked a lot like a rookie OC. We fans also need to understand that the coaches also have a learning curve in the NFL too.

Yep. It won't matter how good Fields is or isn't if Darnold pans out. Once we get our guy, that is all that matters.

No, if you look back in our history we have had some successful OT's we have drafted. Especially in the first ten years of our existence. We just forget them now because of how long ago that was.

Which, to defend Rhule somewhat we do know they pursued Stafford first, so I think the dumpster diving this offseason had more to do with their first couple of options failing(Stafford and likely Watson). I think this was a much more understandable dumpster dive than Teddy was. The biggest question will be passing on Fields and if Darnold is bad enough, why trade draft capital when you could have gotten a cheaper bust QB on the market. Hopefully this discussion is just theory and Darnold proves us wrong.

Lol. Favre?

I don't think you need a case study, it's about playing the odds. Those long shot stories are awesome and we had one with Jake Delhomme. But, they also aren't common or frequent so you can't rely on them being successful at a high rate. Our offseason is sort of weighted towards longshot/long odds moves, so maybe if a lot of those pan out we do have a genius front office and/or coaching staff. I would be floored to find that out, that is for sure. That's how you get the benefit of the doubt from skeptics like myself.

I don't think Tepper will fire him after this season, even if we didn't win a single game. I do think his seat could start getting warm if the Darnold situation results in Sam Darnold still being Sam Darnold(a bust). I tend to agree that he might only have one more QB chance after Darnold. That's what I am afraid of.

No need to bump them. Those guys know who they are. 100% agree on Cam or Winston over Teddy. I think either option would have been more successful.

It's not always the franchises fault for lack of development. Some of these guys just don't develop. Look at Arizona with Rosen and Murray. Do you think they were at fault for lack of development with Rosen? No, he just wasn't a guy. Doesn't mean he didn't have NFL caliber talent. Murray "developed" because he was an NFL ready player. Remember that we have already attempted a reclaimation project with David Carr. Sometimes it is tough to "unlearn" habits and sometimes it isn't just bad habits but core attributes. That is the thing we will see about Darnold. He has a reputation of making very poor decisions under pressure and bailing on plays to freelance. If he can limit both of those here, he is very likely to be successful. And we definitely did not sit on our ass waiting for a QB. One of our first moves of the offseason was to try and trade for Matt Stafford. The staff is very well aware of the importance of getting a QB.

In fairness, he will likely never be as good as Cam either. It's was easy to forgive all Cam's "eccentricities" when he was one of the best offensive weapons in the NFL.

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I hope you are right. If it busts, it is going to sour fans and media on the staff. I don't want that honeymoon to be over this early.

Yeah, the market will adjust. Luckily we have been cleaning up our cap issues the past couple of years and we should be good for a bit. If our draft picks start panning out at a higher rate, we will have some tough choices in the next 4-5 seasons, however. You can't keep them all, not even the Saints can.

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I think this is a very plausible rumor for a number of reasons. I don't know if I buy them being a candidate to continue shopping him. But, as you said, perhaps they don't think they can extend him so they want to get something for him. I would really hate to see him shipped off prior to this season.

The moves so far have definitely leaned under 30, FWIW. I wonder if this was just merely testing the market for big offers. May not mean much other than that. Considering how they traded down to gain more draft capital, they could have been shopping guys to accomplish the same thing.

Honestly, Charlie Campbell has been historically fairly accurate on that Hot Press feature. Not perfect but he does apparently have some pretty legit NFL sources.

It's funny how attached you are to the "I'm right/you're wrong" narrative. You do realize there is a difference between wanting someone to fail and just simply expecting them to, right? I think that seems to be the core of your emotional lashing out. You care more about your uneducated internet opinion than the success of this actual franchise. None of us want Darnold to fail(or none of us should) because then we descend further into the NFL cellar and/or we have to rinse and repeat this QB search again. I hope no one is enjoying this parade of QB's we have been fielding since Cam declined. This has been anything but fun.

Man, I sure hope not.

Well, Fitt seems very deal heavy. I wonder what if any offers were made for him. Or what we were looking for in return. I hope Marshall plays really well(and stays healthy) and we have a replacement for him. I definitely don't want to see Anderson and Samuel leave and not have good replacements.

Looks like only five total. It's funny, we hit on our first three and have been 0-2 since.

As far as just being a bust, you can compare any of our draft picks. If you were talking specifically OT busts, I guess that is valid. That is a pretty small pool for us, though. I don't think we have taken many OT's in the first two rounds in our history. I'll look and see.