kungfoodude

Well, let's not get too carried away too quickly. We have one data point that also includes Hurney(2020 draft class). This is basically the first Hurney-free draft we have had, so this one is the real test. And we won't know the results for at least 2-3 seasons.

That's the thing, he doesn't need to be THE reason why we win, but he needs to be A reason why we win.

It was the Cowboys. They warned Cowboys players about him and they went to the team front office and said they didn't want to play with him. Once three separate rosters had essentially said they didn't want him around, his future in the NFL was nonexistent. Think about it this way, that didn't even happen to Terrell Owens.

Mediocre covers all aspects of his play(production, results, situations, etc). If we win in spite of him, it's time to move on. That isn't successful unless you have a truly special team. If we win BECAUSE of him, then he is the guy.

He isn't any different than any other first round bust QB. They typically get one more stop to prove it(even Rosen did) and then they are either journeyman backups or fast tracked out of the NFL.

If he wants to return as a #2 for a #2 price, sure. I am down with that.

Yeah, I think Moore has a better shot than Brown of making the team.

I don't think mediocre is going to cut it. We just got rid of a mediocre QB.

I don't know if there is an amount of games that necessarily gets him an extension. He needs to play well and conclusively show he is the future for us at the position.

Cam more than lived up to his potential. He just didn't last long enough to stay an elite player. He was more successful overall than a guy like Luck(in terms of ultimate accomplishments). Yet another #1 overall pick whose career was shortened by injuries and lack of quality OL.

The worst part was they won in spite of him. He was quite literally the worst starting QB in the NFL that season.

Agreed. As was stated in another thread, Jake is basically Sam's realistic ceiling.

Well, even they are aware that college performance isn't always indicative of NFL success. Especially for a smaller school guy like Christensen. He didn't get that rating facing P5 DE's and pass rushers. I LOVE non-P5 football but the average player is not as talented. He had an easier road(as did Kyle Wilson).

I wouldn't even put a QBR rating/ranking on it. He just needs to show he is the guy. Win close games, make big throws at critical times, don't consistently hurt the team with boneheaded decisions and generally LEAD a very successful offense. And do all that when things are going well and when they aren't. You do all that, and you are the guy. I don't imagine he is likely to be a QBR darling because he is a low completion percentage thrower and will always struggle with TD:INT ratio. Jake wasn't too far off that and he worked out.

100%. The first game of the next season put them on my shitlist forever. I hate them as much as our division rivals(not quite as much as the Pats).

It may change, it may not. The QB and OL are still big question marks, although the overall roster talent appears to be much better than 2020. Last year, it was obvious the Panthers were going to be terrible....and then they weren't quite as terrible as expected. This year....I think it is a complete mystery. We could be good, we could be mediocre or we could be bad. I don't have a good read on what to expect for the first time in many years.

I don't agree or disagree with them ranking us next to last. I understand why they feel that way. That's the big difference, I can see their point of view, whereas you can only see yours. I don't agree or disagree with their rating of him in college. I personally like PFF but it isn't bulletproof. I am definitely aware that PFF college performances/ratings are not a 1:1 translation with PFF NFL performances. If you look at their data alone, you probably aren't going to see a strong correlation with high PFF college ratings and high NFL PFF ratings. Furthermore, they didn't even rank him as their best offensive lineman(or even tackle) in their draft rankings. So, that kind of shows how much stock they even put in their own college ratings to translate to the NFL.

If we extend him for being mediocre, the war drums will be beating for Rhule and his staff to be gone. I see only two logical options; Darnold is the guy and the search is over, Darnold is not the guy and we jettison him.

I have to assume it is true. Ultimately we may never know what percentage of blame went to Hurney versus Rhule and the staff. In the end....it doesn't matter much. Teddy flamed out and he is gone.

If he turns into a viable pass catcher, even better.

I am curious to see if that was the offense or Sam just leans backyard football when it all breaks down(which most gunslingers do) anyway. The one thing we can say about Teddy, is that he rarely ever went off script. I think he'll see plenty of pressure in 2021, so we will get a good side by side of what his tendencies are in this offense versus Gase's.

Odd since you post in a perpetual rage at everything. You really are a marvel of complete lack of self awareness. Or is this some ironic troll? If so, bravo.

This is part of a greater problem with general sports fans. Just because we disagree with something(article, analysis, statistic, etc) doesn't make it invalid. We get way too much confirmation bias in here from the posters. It's natural for everyone to have that to an extent but some people are leaning into that a bit much. Especially when you see such an overreaction to information the person doesn't like or agree with.

The question is, will he get that time here with our current OL? I am not sure our OL is any better than the Jets but our scheme SHOULD help him avoid pressure. It did with Teddy.