kungfoodude

There is a reason the "Patriot Way" works....Bill Belichick. And he also needed the greatest QB of all time.

I read this post and understand why you cannot follow along.

I really don't have an answer for you simply not understanding what I am writing. Most here seem to be able to understand it.

Yeah but you are just speculating. Unless that is a buddy or yours or something

And get fuging SKEWERED in the media, as well.

Yeah, guys like Brady and Big Ben could retire at any time. I think Rodgers and Ryan will stick around a few more seasons. Overall the league is getting a lot younger at QB. This is the most QB needy teams I have seen in a long time. It would be pretty foolish to waste that market for ego reasons.

Hindsight is 20/20.

We will see if that happens or not. Again, we aren't talking about a smart franchise.

I don't think he would do that. If you do that you lose the respect of your teammates and you also chase off franchises that would trade for you.

When he is watching his franchise suffer through empty stands and players jumping ship in droves, his ego might start to get overruled by his brain.

Oh I am not forgetting about ego. Hence the reason why I talk about the standoff lasting past this offseason. I do think his value could drop if the young drop of QB's step up and become NFL starters. Let's say that we get 3-5 potential starters from this draft. That's 3-5 potential suitors off the market. Let's say the Lions trade or cut Stafford and he ends up on a team that was considering trading for Watson. Or let's say Sam Darnold is suddenly a star without Gase. Those are all factors that make market demand drop. Less demand.....likely a lower price. It's not to say all of that will happen or that a team or teams may not get very desperate and be willing to give up anything but any of those things happening does hurt the overall market for him. And let's not forget that there may be a big gulf between what the media speculates of his potential price and what an actual NFL team is willing to give up.

The question is, do they know it? It would be interesting to hear the conversations inside the organization these days.

That haul amount will drop the longer they hold out. It will get less after free agency and the draft, because potential suitors will be off the board. Especially if teams he is willing get traded to move forward with their plans. Make no mistake, the league isn't going to grind to a standstill to wait on the resolution of this stand off. And the fact that his value is so high is that the need for QB's is extremely high at the moment. That changes when QB's get drafted or QB needy teams decide to sign free agents instead of wait.

If we made picks to attempt to get Watson in a trade, instead of just building for the future once Houston goes into dumb mode......we will be a dumpster fire in no time. I'd love to have Watson but I wouldn't shy away from taking a QB at #8(if available) if Houston decides 2021 is going to be hardball time.

Doubt what?

It's kind of like watching a relationship with one of your buddies and telling him to rid of his GF/spouse because it is plainly obvious where it is all heading. But they double down to try and salvage it, only for more time to pass before the inevitable happens and they split up. That's Houston and Watson right now.

Yep. And I believe you will see an exodus of talent from the franchise the more contentious this gets with Watson. By all accounts, he is well liked there and teammates had suggested he get out. I suspect they will all be jumping ship in short order, as well.

I suspect they will also go after Watson's signing bonus too. Once that happens, their place at the bottom of the NFL will be forever completed. Players will not want to play there and they will struggle to ever resign any homegrown talent. This is going to be fantastic to watch them crumble.

Oh the longer this drags on, the lower the price will get. Largely because teams will take QB positions and then be out of the market. If Houston was smart, they'd be blowing up the phone of every QB needy team in the NFL.

That last year of a bonus(the bonus has already been paid in full at signing) is an extra year added for accounting purposes. New Orleans has been doing that with Drew Brees contract forever. It's a way of lessening the impact of the prorated bonus cap hit every year. The downside is that it carries dead money into a time period where the player is no longer on the team. You have to keep in mind that those prorated bonuses get paid out upon signing of the contract. That is all "book money" and not actual money being spent(because it has already BEEN spent).

This is also true. It doesn't hurt that he is tearing it up down there.

For the Carolina Panthers, it would be awesome to see him sit out 2021 and then the Texans be forced to trade him in 2022 offseason. In 2022 we should be in MUCH better shape to make a deal with them.

If they don't meet his demands, it is the Texans who stand to lose a lot more than Deshaun Watson. Remember, they just gave him a $30 mil signing bonus. If they play hardball, all they will achieve is a spot in the dumpster of the NFL for the remainder of time.

It isn't worthless because they can't peddle him to the highest bidder. It has to be to a team he is willing to be traded to. Remember, he has veto power.

And that value is also fluid, as well. Next year if Brown blows up and Moore only has one year left on his deal(or has signed a new big deal with us) then his trade value may also drop. CMC's value is fairly low because not many teams want a $10+ mil RB on their team, even one in their prime. I don't think jersey sales will play a big factor, although you never know. That kind of stuff is all over the map unless you are talking about a LeBron-type popularity level. Plus we have to consider the year he spent on the sidelines due to multiple injuries have likely severely tanked his overall value. I somewhat suspect this will all end up as an exercise in theory anyway. I don't think we will be able to make a deal and I am doubtful we ever learn what we offered, if anything.