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They did actually exceed most expectations.

I don't know if we will make any post camp signings. Curious to see what Fitt's philosophy is on that.

We have seen lot of question marks on the roster, IMO. QB, LT, LG, RG, S, LB, DT, WR, LS, K, TE, CB. We still don't really know we have answers to those questions yet. If we have even half of those answers, it was a good offseason.

Peyton is a far better coach than Arians, IMO.

Thanks for your insight. A truly valuable post.

I didn't ask that question. It was clear there was a rebuild ongoing. It is clear there is still a rebuild ongoing.

What is the issue with the methodology? I am gonna take a wild guess you didn't read how he came up with his Expected AV Share and just lashed out?

I was scratching my head about them when we signed them precisely for those reasons. They were likely to be available later in free agency and potentially cheaper. It isn't like they were can't miss, high demand guys. They are really backup/depth caliber guys. I will be perfectly happy being wrong and Fit looking like a genius but I am just not seeing it. It's hard to explain.

He has shown flashes of being a great player. One has to wonder if he simply could stay healthy if he would be considered our franchise CB. He is one of the best INT producing CB's we have ever fielded.

Well, since we are on the subject, what does his penis look like? Helmet to shaft ratio, curved/straight, more beans or more Frank's, etc? Surely @TheSpecialJuan knows these answers.

Erving is a complete bust. While Darnold has shown flashes and enough talent to take a chance on, Erving has been bad everywhere he went. If he is able to be simply average it would be a miracle turnaround.

100% accurate. Him not improving would be a absolute fuging disaster. As you said, the question is how much and will it be enough to get our franchise back on track?

Plenty of times. I have never seen a tear down like that in the history of our franchise. It was the most obvious rebuild I have ever seen.

No doubt but the results didn't indicate that, even before the season.

Yep. I was a staunch defender of all things Carolina early in our history when our early success was historic, our overall winning percentage was high and we genuinely looked like we had our poo together. Since that time, we settled into wild swings in success mixed with large swathes of mediocrity. That's how you end up with only 26% of your seasons with a winning record.

It was a rebuild when you jettisoned most of the talent from the roster. Doesn't matter if Hurney was on board or not, it was pretty clearly a rebuild. And we have no idea who is on what page. We just know we have new people. We'll know that in a few years....maybe.

Agreed. We didn't lay down last year so if we show that, I will be pissed.

I think winning needs to be here in 2022. It isn't panic time with a losing record in 2021.

It's year two. I realize Hurney has skewed our initial rebuild attempt but this is year two in actuality. This offseason is the first time we will get a good idea about our new FO and coaches though. This is all "new regime" guys now. They take all the credit and all the blame. And, no, fan expectations are rarely realistic. Some of the dolts we have in here predicting wild success next season or epic failures based on whatever hormonal issues they are struggling with that overrides all logic.

I think KK is just done, sadly.

I have never understood the hate for DJ. That dude has been fantastic for us.

Yeah, I don't understand the need for revisionist history or denial. I have been there for the whole ride, the good, the bad and the ugly. As a Panthers fan, I will remain skeptical because of who we have been. But, it's easy to be hopeful about the core we are building on the team. Perhaps this is indeed the regime to bring us to consistent success. Either way, I think all of the Panther OG's feel the same way. Just waiting and watching for that time to come.

What's Brenton Bersin doing?

Indeed, our lows have been as low as anyone's but they are luckily as rare as our Super Bowl appearances. The lucky thing is actually that our youth as a franchise means our climb out of the cellar isn't that far. Look at the history of the New Orleans Saints and their place on the all time lists for a good reference for how you can dig a whole that takes forever to to recover from.

It was me. We have had 7 total winning seasons in 27 seasons. Pretty sure no one would consider that successful. Doesn't mean we haven't had successes but they are few and far between. Frankly, we are far closer to the bottom of the NFL in our existence than the top. I always reiterate that when our fans get a little uppity about our place or why we don't get the benefit of the doubt nationally(although being a small market team has a lot to do with that, as well). We are who we are. The challenge is to be better.