kungfoodude

They can't stop it because the Chinese population really does rely on some of those sources of food. The same is true in Africa or South America. Regulating it would go a long way. We've all seen the pictures of those markets. Can you imagine if that happened in the US? People processing live animals and raw meat without any obvious sanitary measures? They'd be shut down in a heartbeat.

We didn't have months. We've had years. Did anyone forget H1N1(which infected over 20 million people and caused 3900 deaths)? Did we not already see a version of this disease(OG SARS) and another in MERS? We could have been prepared for this, but we weren't. Hospitals don't prepare for worst case pandemic or illnesses. Nor does our government. It is a fundamental weakness.

http://weekly.chinacdc.cn/en/article/id/e53946e2-c6c4-41e9-9a9b-fea8db1a8f51 This is the initial study of roughly 72k patients. 81% of the patients were over 60. 93.7% were over 49. One note of caution, the US population does have a lot more health risk factors than the Chinese population likely does. So our numbers could very well be higher.

TABLE. Hospitalization, intensive care unit (ICU) admission, and case–fatality percentages for reported COVID–19 cases, by age group —United States, February 12–March 16, 2020 Age group (yrs) (no. of cases) %* Hospitalization ICU admission Case-fatality 0–19 (123) 1.6–2.5 0 0 20–44 (705) 14.3–20.8 2.0–4.2 0.1–0.2 45–54 (429) 21.2–28.3 5.4–10.4 0.5–0.8 55–64 (429) 20.5–30.1 4.7–11.2 1.4–2.6 65–74 (409) 28.6–43.5 8.1–18.8 2.7–4.9 75–84 (210) 30.5–58.7 10.5–31.0 4.3–10.5 ≥85 (144) 31.3–70.3 6.3–29.0 10.4–27.3 Total (2,449) 20.7–31.4 4.9–11.5 1.8–3.4 Do you notice that the 0-19 and 20-44 data sets incorporate a larger range of ages? I am gonna take a wild GUESS (and let me be VERY clear that it is a guess) that a higher percentage of those cases are in the 35-44 range(and much more reasonable set). But, regardless, you can also see that group has the second lowest hospitalization rate, ICU admission rate and case fatality rate. Also, let's be clear that this is a relatively small sample size so neither your nor my takes on this data may end up being completely accurate in the long term. The report also clearly states: So we don't know if underlying health issues were involved or not. The bulk of the data so far seems to indicate preliminary that is the case. Furthermore, that is also what a few of the academics seem to be saying and cautioning.

Strange how it looks VERY familiar to the numbers from the Chinese report.

Did you actually read the CDC link? Be honest.

I don't think half the country will end up with it, although we will never know because a lot of people are not going to show symptoms and we are only going to test a minuscule portion of the population. The Spanish flu was estimated to have infected as much as 25% of the US population at the time, although due to modern travel the ease of transmission is exponentially higher. But, the health care is also leaps and bounds better than over 100 years ago. I don't believe it will end up infecting 163 million people in this country(50/50). Could it? Possibly. I also don't think that is realistic given how spread out the population really is. The truth is, there is not much you personally can do about it other than barricade yourself at your house if you are that concerned. That's it. I am going to continue going about my daily life as I would normally. I may get it, I may not. I'd bet heavily on the latter. The panic and stress from worrying about it isn't going to do any good. It just is what it is. You don't have an impact on the lack of preparedness from the federal government, you don't have an impact on the decisions that your state or local municipality will make in regards to combating it, and you don't have an impact on the way people will react. It just is what it is. For me, it's easier to just accept that and move on. I follow the scientific journals and the health agency updates to understand it a little better and to perhaps change any behaviors that might put me more at risk. That's what keeps my mind at ease about it. Just do what you can and the rest is just going to happen.

Yeah, my guess is that you missed a specific sentence.

I mean, 50/50? Lol....okay. I don't have control over your overreaction, so good luck with that. And who cares if you do get it? Are you over 60? Are you obese? Heart issues? Lung issues? Heavy smoker? If the answer is no to most if those, you are gonna be fine. It is just going to suck for a while.

https://www.healthline.com/health/cold-flu/mask Read it all but make note of the portion under "Surgical masks."

Well, according to the experts, those loose fitting surgical masks are pretty much a joke. The biggest benefit they could possibly have is being used by a sick person to mildly contain all their hacking and coughing.

Yeah, I mean, you have to look at it pragmatically. The odds of you dying are pretty low, even the odds of you contracting it are probably fairly low. In a month or two this will mostly be a distant memory. We Americans will go back to our lives, never invest in more research or preparedness and then we will be back here again in 5-20 years with another pandemic, running around like a chicken with our heads cut off the same way we are now. If there is one thing you can count on, it's that people never really learn from anything! Have a nice day!

http://podcasts.joerogan.net/podcasts/michael-osterholm Here is a good interview with Michael Osterholm, the director for the Center of Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota. Pretty good info. Opened my eyes to how well it spreads and also discusses some historical policy failures that have left so many unprepared.

Actually, let me give a bunch of these, since most people are dumb enough to get their news through social media or TV media. https://www.nih.gov/health-information/coronavirus https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/global-research-on-novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov https://www.biomedcentral.com/collections/Coronavirus https://www.thelancet.com/coronavirus https://www.elsevier.com/connect/coronavirus-information-center https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/coronavirus

https://www.nejm.org/coronavirus Here is a very good non-retarded source for coronavirus information for those that are looking for one. It has mostly sources that actually know something.

I think this virus has exposed how much dumber people are than I expected.

Well we are also in regular flu season still.

I mean....that is just 36 people in a state of 10.4 mil. I wouldn't say that is panic mode yet. Of course, given how far we are behind in testing compared to prepared countries, the number is likely far, far, far higher.

Damn. That is horrible dude.

100% pure panic.

Three of the four were asymptomatic, according to ESPN.

TBH, it is probably not a bad idea. The media is going completely nuts and stirring people up into a panic. The numbers are basically useless to regular people, other than highlighting areas to avoid traveling.

https://www.startalkradio.net/show/understanding-the-coronavirus-covid-19/ This might help some of the people that are losing their minds.

Since I am on pet peeves, don't wipe your goddamn nose with your bare hands or your fuging shirt sleeve(unless there is literally no other option). Even if you wipe/blow your nose with a tissues, wash the motherfugers afterwards. It doesn't take that much effort to do that. If there isn't a sink, use some damn hand sanitizer. And if you are leaving a public restroom that has a handle on the inside of the door(already a major fail), use a paper towel in your hand to open the damn door. It doesn't take any extra effort to do this if paper towels are available. For me, even if that is not an option, I will open the door with one finger of my non-dominant hand. It's just simple poo like that you can do every day that will generally limit your exposure to common bugs.

Yeah, it's a lot of FUD being spread. It's easy to be reasonable and live a relatively normal existence. Common sense is about a 4% trait in modern America.