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I mean, at this point who is seeing what our franchise is on just about any move? Matt Millen?

The politics of football rosters is well known. You just can't trade what they did for him and sit him. That can't happen. The was guaranteed(barring injury) the instant that trade was made. No matter who we had drafted, they were the starter.

Yes but this was in the face of a supposed rejuvenation of Denver under Payton. That has not been the case at all. If anything, they are a marginally better shitshow than they were under the previous guy. I wouldn't put a lot into their improvement simply because the best part of that franchise came to us. New England will almost certainly be terrible. That franchise isn't more more talent stocked(or rather bereft) than ours. It's been mismanaged for about as many years. If they have a good rookie QB, that COULD turn fortunes quickly but it could just as easilu torpedo his career as he is put in a bad scenario and doesn't develop at all. I am not saying we will or won't be "better" but I don't think the amount of "better" that any of these teams are going to be is anything other than the difference between sinking and floating turds.

I mean of those three(BY, Nix, Maye) he is unquestionably the most talented. But, he is also extremely raw and very, very unpolished. Ideally, he sits in NE, they are patient and don't ruin him. That's the big problem with a relatively unpolished QB talent, it's always dangling on the precipice of disaster if the situation isn't right or the development isn't right. Now, if he is a true superstar, throw that all out the window. Not saying development might not matter but he will be the type of guy that is self motivated and driven enough to get it done. I think he seems more in the former category than the latter but often the cues for those in the latter category aren't immediately obvious to the general public.

We just get cute at such bad times. Or we tend to draft on need rather than BPA. Most of the draft mistakes, we fuging make. Our last draft is littered with that. Pick one, trade up to get a guy that is far from a sure thing. Moderately high ceiling but ultimately project player. Which....what was the rush on a guy like that? There are more guys in perhaps lower tiers. Not a major offense but just not super smart IMO. Second pick, overdrafted for a very good football player but just not paying attention to positional value at all. Bigger needs and higher positional value available. Again, absolutely do not dislike the player but is the difference in Brooks and say a 3rd or 4th round RB big enough to warrant passing on a new starting center? A LB? EDGE? Then promptly in the 3rd we make a major reach(IMO) on a high level athlete with questionable football abilities. So, basically a guy that immediately projects as a special teams player. Well, what value is that in the 3rd? In the first 1-3 rounds, you need to be looking at guys that have a shot at actually being in your two deep. When is this guy seeing the field, exactly? 2 years? 3? And that's probably best case. That's not a 3rd rounder, that's a 5th-7th rounder or a UDFA.

It wasn't what I would call significant but he did miss some time with injury in his college career. It's not a comparison with Wilson. Wilson's college career largely looked like Horn's NFl career, minus the injury free last couple of years. Which, I suppose that is another arrow in the quiver of the Horn stans that say he will be healthy forever once he leaves us. There is no way to know. Also, even if that were the case, what would it matter? If he couldn't stay healthy for us but does elsewhere, what exactly are we supposed to do about it?

That and the fact he might be a one contract player given the age. All that being said, I still would have preferred we gambled on him than someone like Wallace. Wallace just so clearly is in the mold of a Fitterer/Rhule "I'm smarter than everyone else" selection. At this point, stop being cute. Get players who can just fuging play. I feel like this is something we have lost the ability to do as a franchise.

I don’t think we will fire Canales unless we are looking at another 1-2 win season. I think Tepper is going to have more patience with him, like he did Rhule.

I don't really think either of those guys would move the needle much although their ceilings may be higher. I would say we are still not in a position to develop someone like Maye. He needs a ton of work and this isn't a place where he could develop. For Nix, how would his situation be much different than similar lower ceiling rookies put in better situations recently? Is he better than Pickett or Mac Jones? Both of those guys were in far better situations and still failed. Outside of a true HR pick, I don't think you are gonna see many rookie QB's look good given our situation.

I am here for the New England and Denver dumpster fires. Both franchises are richly deserving of it.

Yeah, I concerned the D might take a noticeable step back and the offense might not take a big enough step forward to cover that.

I would say somewhere in the 2-5 wins range is about right. Any more than that would be a geniune shock. Winning record would be almost as shocking as the 15-1 season.

Not every player responds to that sort of coaching style. This is the biggest nothingburger of all time. Some players prefer a fired up guy that wears his emotions on his sleeve and some want a more calm coach. This has existed since the beginning of coaching and playing. Nothing new here.

Because he was a very inaccurate passer in college and the history of those guys making it is pretty clear. It's possible he could be an outlier but there is a reason you mention Allen, he is really the only one that did turn it around. I don’t bet on outliers. And that is without mentioning that he is primarily a run first decision maker while being injury prone(not good) and that he was(IIRC) the only rookie QB with a lower percentage of deep targets than Young. I was not a big AR fan before the draft and he really did nothing to make me change my mind in year one.

I am much less worried about Ikey than BY, I can tell you that.

The center situation is so insane. I cannot understand it at all.

Yeah, the only real fix for that is literally resting it. Well....it's tough to get acclimated while sitting on the bench.

I am gonna guess we aren't gonna see much of BC outside of being a backup, which is really where he will be the most valuable. My guess is they believe in that GB FA signing more. Ikey has to do the work necessary to be great. For all the people saying he should switch to LG, well he is still going to need to work there too. He needs to figure that stuff sooner rather than later or he is gonna be out of the league a lot more quickly than he realizes. Talent can't get you there as a pro football player. Only hard work can.

I predict that he won't be the only question mark on this OL. I am rather skeptical of that unit overhaul.

Not sure about that. The big reason AR is trending bust is health. That isn't going to improve at TE. He isn't only a project but he is injury prone and plays like Cam. Terrible combination.

I am curious to see who the bigger bust will be between Richardson and Young. Could be a very close race.

The owner removing himself from day to day operations is basically the only hope this franchise has. If he does not, we are sunk.

Most early mocks had us projected as top 5 and going QB. I tend to agree. I think we will be in that cycle for at least 6 more seasons.

Agreed. I really hope it collapses so that college athletics can be interesting again.

He is the hero of tipping the cost/benefit ratio around.