kungfoodude

I just don't see the ceiling that others do. I don't think he is any better than Trubisky or Winston, who are also failed starters/draft picks. I am perfectly fine being wrong about that, because it means our biggest roster hole is filled and perhaps we have a 10+ year starter on our hands(that's when I will get excited about him only being 24). But, I don't see it.

I am fuging tired of hearing that fuging song. It had some charm at some point but that horse has been so fuging beaten that it's purely liquid.

I don't care how many excuses are thrown out there. It doesn't change what I am saying. If he doesn't get it together after his first season here, there is zero hope of him ever being anything. It doesn't matter that he started on a dumpster fire of a franchise in NY and it doesn't matter if his next stop was another very bad franchise in our team. Eventually you just have to produce as a player. None of these elite QB's have an NFL career of only star studded rosters and perfect situations. Everyone has challenges in the NFL. It's on the player to make the best of those situations. Floundering in one bad scenario to the next says you are at your very best a backup QB and not capable of being a consistent NFL starter.

Josh Allen is a tough comparison because he started out a lot like Cam, Jackson, etc. He relied on his legs a lot to carry him through his first couple of years. Darnold is a gunslinger with a little above average athleticism. The production wasn't too far off but they don't play the game similarly at all.

Yeah, but that doesn't change the bust history. If he is an outlier it won't be his age, it will be because the Jets are that huge of a dumpster fire. I have heard the "just 23/24" thing plenty. He isn't the first 20 year old NFL player and he isn't even the youngest player ever drafted. There are more than one of those 19 or 20 year old rookies that didn't bust out their first three years.(Juju is one, as an example) Like I said, after this season, it's boom or bust. Zero excuses left.

Yep. Ultimately you are still in a small, select group of athletes.

That is basically a lot of the 6th rounders to UDFA's. That is why I always chuckle when the Huddle gets so excitable about those guys. The odds of them hitting and being long term NFL starters are pretty long. Sometimes there is just a level above you and it can't be bridged by any amount of hard work.

I meant Carson Palmer. Baker was much more of a gamer/competitor than Darnold appears to be, in all honesty. Baker was frustrated when things weren't going well but Darnold largely just looks completely lost. They are similar in that they are gunslingers but I think Darnold is just basically Baker Mayfield(or Jameis Winston) with zero development or production. Agreed I hope it works. The alternative isn't fun.

My brain said Carson Palmer, my fingers typed Matt Leinart.

There are young QB's who have made it without bring on good franchises. IMO, the situation(unless injury is involved) has a lot less to do with the success rate than the player. After all, Cam came to a bad team/franchise and did well. So has Baker Mayfield and Kyler Murray and Matt Stafford and Matt Leinart and Deshaun Watson and on and on...

I mean, who on the roster is better than Paradis?

I think if we see a potential trade before the deadline for someone like Garoppolo, you would have to think that makes the coaches look like they think they are on the hot seat. Plus, I honestly think Jimmy G is safe this season, unless Lance is just a phenom and much further ahead of schedule than even his big supporters(myself being one) believe. I guess the real nightmare scenario is what if Darnold is just simply mediocre(better than the Jets, perhaps Teddy esque)and we win 7-9 games? Do you go back to square one in the offseason or try to see if you can build a Ravens/Broconos super team that can overcome mediocre to bad QB play?

High: Brian Burns. With the additional secondary help and other pass rushers added, I think all those "almost" sacks from last season will be finished this season. Not sure: Donte Jackson. He seemed to improve last season and played well at times but was also plagued with injuries. The question is, where does he fit now with Horn and Bouye being added? And, can he play consistently and stay healthy? If not, I think this could be the beginning of the end. If he does, we could have the makings of a potentially top 10 group of CB's in the future. Bad: Sam Darnold. What needs to be said, really? Textbook bust QB that doesn't seem able to process the NFL game at a speed necessary to succeed. Hard to question the raw talent there but how many talented first round QB's have flamed out before him? He wasn't set up to succeed but he also just simply didn't perform well even when things were going reasonably well(by Jets standards). I believe there is a 20% or less chance he outproduces or outperforms what Teddy did last season.

I didn't have one of those very long. Would I? Well, how mad am I at the bank?

Hard no, indeed. I have seen how worthless contracts are in reality, from both sides.

I am starting to wonder if this is Tepper's personal assistant. The billionaire/franchise slurping is getting to be absurd.

I predict a server crash if that happens.

Yeah that whole, "He's basically a rookie!" narrative was utter nonsense. He is a four year NFL starter. Did he lose time to illness and injury? Sure, but that will be four offseasons, training camps, four years of film room, four years of development and training. If he didn't produce after this season, he isn't going to.

Yeah, if he/they think that the pressure goes away with any NFL franchise, they are sorely mistaken. He has to produce and his leash will be WAY shorter than in NY where they were married to his future. We aren't.

Well, most teams figured that out beforehand but.....you know.....

I would be shocked if they don't just roll with their current options. They appear to be fully committed to Darnold so I don't think they are going to plan for anything other than him starting. Which, in fairness, there are really not many good options available on the market at the moment. None that would be more than slightly better than Darnold, anyway.

I don't think you will see a journeyman QB because this staff doesn't seem enthusiastic about veteran NFL guys.

If he can't stay healthy, versatility is pretty useless.

Paquette too, honestly.

I will probably miss this period at work. Oh well. I suspect I will not be pleased with the result, anyway