kungfoodude

Yeah, any QB that takes that kind of beating is gonna be permanently scarred by it.

I remember seeing him drop back, a perfect pocket would set up around him and then his internal clock would go off. He was so clearly broken.

I think Brady has a lot of issues to work through, as well. We seem to consistently underestimate the NFL experience of our staff as a whole. At some level, we have to be a little patient with that.

I wonder how many remember our David Carr experience?

He seems to be a very level headed guy with a low level of drama. It would be nice for him to work out as a QB because he doesn't seem like he is going to get you in trouble with his mouth(Brees/Cam/etc).

Yeah, the NFL has had some next level terrible coaches. Gase is for sure bad but worst of all time??? Hyperbole.

I get you are attached to your sources and believe them to be gospel, regardless of what anyone says. We'll just have to agree to disagree on their veracity.

I don't agree with his take but throwing out Panthers history, which you have zero frame of reference for, is ridiculous. You aren't even a Panthers fan.

Yeah and I think starting with young players is more likely to work. Established vets may not have the patience for the learning curve that a lot of our coaches are going through. I definitely see the advantages. We just have to hope it works out in the end. That is the tough part about trying a rebuild as extensive as we have. If you fail at it, the consequences are usually lingering. Let's hope all that hype and advertising end up with substance and wins.

Lol. I don't think he was the worst in terms of overall results but, yes, he probably was the least worthy of even making that step up.

I don't even like him as a Plan A but I think by the time we got him, most of the non-draft Plan A options weren't much better. Yeah, I am not as optimistic as that. Hopeful but not optimistic. I am just waiting and seeing. They have the mentality that I want to see, I just need to see the execution and consistency. That's what we have all been waiting forever, consistent winning. College isn't the NFL. That isn't a very historically successful path. Agree to disagree on the "outside the box."

I don't disagree with the thought process but you ultimately need players that can play at a high level consistently. Versatility doesn't trump that. If you have someone who could supposedly play at a high level at multiple positions like Slater, fine. IF he is able to do that. If not, wouldn't you rather have Quentin Nelson?

That is sort of why some of the long term Panthers fans are taking a skeptical stance on the franchise at the moment. In 27 years we have seen a lot of different thought processes come through that front office and coach on the field. Very few of them have netted more than mediocre to bad results. Like @Sgt Schultz said yesterday, there is a lot of Stockholm Syndrome built into the long tenured fans. For every positive aspect of Rhule, his staff and our new GM there are also these obvious red flags. Like the outside the box drafting. It isn't like we haven't seen that before, it's just that it didn't work. Frankly, when we have eschewed conventional wisdom previously, the results have been poor. I am taking a wait and see approach with a healthy sense of skepticism. I want to believe in these guys, they have a lot of the attitudes we have been begging for as fans. I just want to see some signs that we finally have the makings of stability and sustained success and not yet another flash in the pan college coach that just couldn't make the leap. I think 2021 is going to go a long way towards making fan believe or sowing doubt and mistrust.

I understand the thought process but I don't know that I agree that high caliber players that aren't as versatile are less valuable than lower caliber players that are more versatile. If I have an elite LT that can play LT at an elite level, RT at an average level and basically nowhere else, I would rather have that than a LT that is average, a good OG and an average RT. I think the versatility is very valuable for your depth guys because it helps you plug in when starters get injured. But, we signed a guy like Eflein who has played a bunch of positions in the NFL but never been more than average at them, I don't view that as particularly more valuable than just simply getting a good LG or RG. I don't really understand the Christensen pick because nothing about him strikes me as being able to be much more than an average LT in the NFL. However, if he proves to be an elite/very good player at another position, that is all that matters.

Scheme and also consistently keeping a good offensive line group. That failed them last season and it showed. That was the key to being able to go 2 or 3 deep at RB. It wasn't as if they didn't have talent, but they had good to great offensive lines paving the way.

I would have to disagree. The Browns are/were a historically dysfunctional franchise and I believe Hue still has the record for lowest winning percentage as head coach with more than one full season of experience. 3-36-1. Hard to beat that kind of futility. And I definitely remember those teams. The Gase Jets would probably beat them every time.

Not talking to you. Look at who that response was to. That guy questioning your fanhood is a "Jets" fan that came over with Darnold. He is just basically a Darnold homer like we had Bridgewater homers come over last offseason/season. He knows basically nothing about this team he didn't read in an article.

fuging stop. You are gonna lure that numerology nutter out of his basement.

There have been some pretty rough ones in recent memory. Hue Jackson, Rob Marinelli, Marty Morningweg, etc.

Yeah, if anything Snow was much more impressive than Brady last season. I mean, all Teddy hate aside, that play calling in the red zone was pretty rough all year long.

I am guessing you weren't a fan when Jake, Cam or Teddy were here. That sound about right?

Speaking of triggered.....

The Rams would be very interesting.