kungfoodude

We can revisit this in Week 8-9. Some of this was correctable so we will see if they can. The OL and QB play may not be so we will see what can be done about that.

That's sort of what I mean. I didn't really feel like offensive play calling lost us the game. I feel like offensive execution did. Untimely penalties, drops, Darnold's missed throws/back breaking INT's and atrocious OL play. Not trying to absolve Brady of some of the blame, but he was a minority issue on that side of the ball, IMO.

I would be more comfortable with Brady as a backup than a starter. We don't have that luxury, unfortunately.

Yeah, he was really off all day. I think he is starting to break down with that OL wilting constantly.

Yeah, I mean....you aren't wrong. I am definitely not annointing the team anything. I just like what we have to work with quite a bit.

The entire defense(save some lack of depth at LB). WR, RB.... We have ample enough talent to win a game like this. We just have to execute and shore up that pitiful OL.

It wasn't a complete shitshow. Dare I say it.....missed opportunities?

Agreed. I think we are seeing that his ceiling is much lower than they had hoped. Still, if we build a competent OL, he can be the guy until we find the guy.

Not trying to absolve Brady of any blame but the execution was pitiful on that side of the ball.

I really don't see how you don't.

That isn't unfair but we should wait to see how the 2022 offseason goes on the OL before we lob that grenade, IMO. A clearer argument could be made for the lack of investment in this past draft, given the resources we had.

100% agree. They deserve the lumps they will rightfully take for not addressing the OL this offseason, and Rhule(somewhat) for not addressing it in the previous offseason. The only reason I feel better about it is that I don't think you are gonna see the same level of hubris we had under Hurney and Gettleman. I expect them to pivot and try to get better.

I don't feel like we got worse after our recent trades. I believe Fitt when he days that he has tried to improve the OL. I think it is telling when he says that he can't even get people to come off backup OL.

In fairness, you want them to be in a "win now mode" even if that is a bridge too far.

I almost sprayed bourbon all over this table.

As you are well aware, I was heavily anti-Darnold prior to the season but I just don't see how we could ever hope for him to be successful like this. It would be different if he were failing completely on his own accord but that isn't the case at all.

Yeah, some of that is the natural gunslinger in him. He was never going to be a true game manager.

It is kind of funny to see some of the Sunshine Squad jumping off a cliff while I am being optimistic.

I think since we are having Jets-like OL play, we are seeing Jets-like Sam Darnold. His ceiling is probably lower than we want but it's hard to get super upset at him when we knew he was a streaky player and didn't play well under pressure but we assembled a bottom 5 OL unit in front of him.

I am all for the youth movement in the OL but we also need to be prepared for the fact that they may not be better than the bad vets they are replacing. This isn't the Ron Rivera staff.

I am not saying I don't share those doubts, I just think that the talent they are assembling in the time they have is quite amazing. Not sold on the coaches just yet. Some good, some bad. I am still in a "wait and see" mode on them. I just think it's hard to have a great deal of success when your offense is so hamstrung by extremely poor OL play and underwhelming QB play.

Our problems are much fewer and quite obvious, though. Think about how many problems we had in 2020 or 2019 or even 2018. That and without a young, talented core. This one sucked but this is quite the assortment of talent to build from. The bones are there for an extremely successful team. We just have to add some more meat to those bones.

It's easy to be upset by this loss and last week's loss but let's not lose sight of how incredible our roster turnaround is from the end of 2019. The jump in talent and depth we have made in the roster is something I couldn't even fathom in early 2020. This may not be the playoff caliber team we wanted in 2021 but make no mistake....we are WAY ahead of schedule. Add to that the fact that our FO is not sitting on their laurels. "In on every deal" indeed. This loss fuging sucked, it was avoidable but there is a bright, bright, BRIGHT future for this roster. That future just isn't here quite yet.

I think the staff and FO learned some obvious lessons about OL quality this season(and will continue to learn the same lesson). The fact that Fitterer said he has been actively trying to improve the OL makes me comfortable with the future. I think we see that our staff and FO immediately realize how much of a mistake they made and will learn from it. Although a lot of the fans could obviously see how bad the OL moves were, they can see it now too and I think they will learn from it. We all just have to take some nasty medicine this year learning from those mistakes.