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Now you know we signed that DeAngelo dude, right? Looked into his past any?

I think the issue with Paradis is that the majority of the time he is actually holding his blocks fairly well but when he fails.....my God he fails so hard.

Eh.....I mean....I am sure they might have done some amount of digging around but Tepper seems to be pretty much in on the "win now" mode, so I am not sure that his virtues outweigh his bottom line. After all....he is a hedge fund billionaire. Ironically, the previous owner was all about not signing guys with character issues but look what skeletons were in his closet.....

From the opposing fans in Panthers PSL holder seats?

I agree with what the coaches said prior to the season about Chinn. His future is probably at safety so better just let him get comfortable and get reps at safety. I was on record as saying I thought he would probably struggle this season and I am okay with that. If he is an elite S in 1-3 seasons, the lumps were well worth it.

Maybe it will cause the closure of the Tinderbox forever.

He'll get traded for a 2023 second round pick and a 2022 4th round pick to New England. Caserio is a plant.

Wait....are you saying that the NHL's Nashville franchise has on site massage therapy???

LB was a weakness even going into this season. It was the one area that wasn't addressed that well. Now, do keep in mind that the 2nd leading tackler in the NFL right now was technically signed by us to fix some of those issues....but we cut him.

I was told by @Snake that Taylor was a future HOFer after last week.

RTPM = Reaction Threads Per Minute Note: This is if he is traded to us OR to someone else. Bonus prediction: How many will claim they are done with the team if he is traded here or somewhere else?

Speaking for the non-UNC fanboy contingent, Howell is a good NFL draft prospect but he isn't a guy I would be thrilled about getting in the first round of the NFL draft. If it was the 2nd or 3rd round, absolutely. But that is sort of the way I feel about every QB in this draft at the moment. This is just a really, really weak QB draft, Howell being a prime example. In a stronger class, he is probably a lower 1st round to 2nd round guy. That's also why I really don't want any part of the QB's in this class as a whole. If you look at the past 15 years and especially the weak classes more often than not the entire first round class ends up being busts or backups. That is literally the way I feel about this class. Howell specifically, my biggest concerns are his throwing mechanics and playing in the offense he does. I view him as a project guy and not a day one starter. Well....that doesn't fit what we need at the moment. We need a day one starter.

Oh poo...

Well, we will never know since we didn't get him.

Fair enough.

Savior? We are just accurately pointing out that he is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than Sam Darnold.

It was a 2nd, 4th and 6th. That is a lot more than nothing, which was what Darnold was worth. Turns out, the 6th rounder was the actual value. It wasn't low risk. All you had to do was look at film and see that. It was obvious. This guy is not an NFL caliber player. Not to mention, the history of reclamation bust QB projects is extremely bad. This was yet another in a pile of failures with almost no successes. Yes, you kept moving the goalposts during the argument. Look, it was a massive mistake. It was an obviously massive mistake. Why is there any need to even defend it?

Some rookies are just ready to play, especially these days. If it's me, I take a look at the Watson deal and I gamble on hardball with them. Get that price down to something reasonable(2 firsts, a couple of players and some mid round picks). If that doesn't work, hit the free agency wire now and find a veteran to bring in here. You have to stop this bleeding immediately. If all those options fail......it's tank time. The FO needs to start evaluating which players are going to be here for the future and probably move some guys to regain draft capital in 2022. Evaluate the draft, if there is a legit option for QB, consider them. If not, go pay someone like Tyrod Taylor or another steady journeyman QB to be a 1-2 year bridge. Not some proven bum like Teddy or Darnold. A veteran with multiple starts and one that can run the offense and take care of the ball. Build that OL through the draft and FA, keep improving the roster. Then it is just season after season of building the roster and looking for the opportunity. Perhaps it is via trade with another team, perhaps it is via free agency signing, perhaps it is via being very aggressive about trading up in the draft. That brings up a valid point, BTW. For those that want to go solely QB through the draft, the price for a pick like Trevor Lawrence would likely have been close to the value of Watson. So, when we talk about trading up for an elite QB prospect, that is also extremely expensive.

Well, it CAN be a long plan. Sometimes you just hit the guy right away with a top 5-10 draft pick. Sometimes it takes almost 20 years. I don't think I foresee this staff going the "trial and error" method because they can feel the heat building from ownership. That's why I think the Watson move is the most likely option. I don't think Tepper is happy with this losing and I think the coaching staff is realizing how badly they fuged up with the Darnold move. They put themselves in an impossible situation by trading for this bum and then not having ANY realistic backup options on the roster.

We aren't performing the worst in the NFL by most measures but I am not sure all of them have the extreme lack of OL unit ability that we do. I don't know that I wouldn't take some of those lower performing units at this point.

They did the best they could with their abilities(both older players at the time) but they were far from good. And neither of them was going to produce a playoff caliber team for us.

Well, that is how bad franchises eventually get their guy. You can also be aggressive and trade up to get your guy. There are a lot of ways to get better at QB without trading for Watson. To date, this staff has chosen the worst possible options available.

Can we blame them for lack of development on Teddy and Sam though? Those guys were known entities. I can definitely see the extreme lack of ability to evaluate QB's properly, that I will give you.

This next season, sure. But we literally only have one now. The OL is going to be a challenge whether we trade for Watson or not. We don't have much quality draft capital available in the 2022 draft, the free agency market is going to be very expensive and more importantly....I don't think people realize how bad our situation is on the OL. We don't just need four new starters, we probably need at least 3 capable backups, as well. You heard Fitterer already talk about it this season, he can't even get people to trade quality backup OL.