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That's a 2 to 4 years from now final answer. I don't think it helped that he went to a team that didn't need him to play his natural position.

He doesn't have any less potential than he did when he was drafted but neither does Josh Rosen. As a buddy of mine once said to me, "Potential just means you haven't done poo yet." So, we will see if he can do some poo. We all get to suit up on Sept. 12th and hopefully watch the beginning of the continued march forward for the franchise, whether the steps be small or large.

My point being that passing on Fields doesn't mean we will never have a chance at a QB again. There are multiple avenues to obtain one that don't involve top 10 picks. Perhaps with lower chances of happening but they do happen. Our franchise future isn't over because we may have passed on a single prospect. Let's let this all play out. I am at the point where my speculation is low and my anticipation is high. Football is right around the corner and we will get all the answers we want on the field every Sunday.

I would have taken Fields or Slater too but that's in the past now. We'll have many years to talk about the big miss or how we nailed that move. My point being that even if we don't have a high draft pick in the future to spend on a QB, it is still POSSIBLE to obtain one and even a very good one. If we build a great team here, we could potentially attract a top talent.

Can't be him. No one around him is groveling at his feet. No self respecting Panthers fan wouldn't prostrate themselves before him.

The mental gymnastics are rampant here these days. Robby Anderson not wanting to be here, Super Bowls being won and lost by our lack of playing Sam Darnold in the preseason, this year fielding a top 10 defense, the 2021 draft picks being the best in Panthers history, etc, etc. I get discussing and debating but it isn't all polar extremes. Darnold has been a bust, so expecting him to continue to be a bust....is pretty fuging logical. Doesn't mean we all can't hope he is the outlier. If so, great news! We have our guy and much rejoicing! But, really, is this any different than last season? I definitely remember the level of mental gymnastics that were going on about Teddy Bridgewater. poo, that lasted until about 10 games into the season.

Yeah but we had a lot of those. It was an "L" we were supposed to take and we did. In a painful fashion.

Remember, they believe it is impossible to doubt him and still hope he succeeds. Doubt = pure hate. It's Huddle 101.

Eh, the Falcons and Broncos losses were kind of a letdown.

I share the same concerns. We will see if he learns or not. If he doesn't, it probably won't bode well for his NFL career. You gotta consider in college he only ever had two QB's. PJ Walker and Charlie Brewer.

By the end of year three we need to have a winning record, I think that's the bar. It is for me, anyway. The QB situation....well, that just depends on what we have access to. If we don't have a top 10 pick or a QB doesn't fall to us(let's just get past the Justin Fields thing, nothing can change that), it's going to be tough sledding there for a while until we find the guy. But, not having a franchise QB doesn't mean we cannot build a high caliber team that can eventually lure away a franchise QB in free agency. There is more than one way to accomplish obtaining one. Look at what Tampa was able to do. The Rams were just able to acquire a franchise QB, as well. So, I don't think that QB situation is a hard line for getting rid of Rhule. Winning is the hard line. If we aren't winning after year three, the heat will be on in a big way.

Yeah, was going to say this. That's actually why teams tend to kick short after that rule was changed.

These are mostly processing problems, not footwork issues. Even in our last preseason game, it was highlighted the fact that he threw the ball away instead of trying to force a play that wasn't there. Every QB can always clean up some technical or mechanical problems but the bulk of Darnold's issues are between his ears. That's what we have to wait weeks and weeks of games to see if it has improved.

I'll take any advantage we can get. You don't get extra wins for facing a team at 100%.

I disagree. This is ignoring how much of this team was deconstructed after 2019. We are like an expansion franchise, without the benefit of an expansion draft. Last season was a surprise. For us to be as competitive as we were with so little was a step in the right direction. If we finish in the 6-8 win range(still with a losing record as an example) but continue to show we are improved as a team overall, I don't think that is going to be devastating. If we finished with a winning record, that would be a dramatic improvement and WAY ahead of schedule. That's the one thing that the Sunshine Squad and the Debbie Downers seem to be missing, this was always likely to be a long haul, whether successful or not. You don't jettison every ounce of veteran experience and talent and then attempt to build from the literal ground up and it just happen overnight. You want a "best case" of something similar, but probably not nearly as dramatic of a teardown as ours? The Cleveland Browns. All those top 10 picks year after year and now finally it looks like they have enough talent and experience to contend. And that was in the face of all their franchise dysfunction. That's the problem there is no quick fix for. We have to build a winning culture, gain actual league experience(players and coaches alike) AND continue to bolster our below average roster depth. That is no small undertaking so being impatient with it will only serve to add unnecessary stress. Reasonable expectations are year three to have a winning record, year four have our first ever back-to-back winning seasons and by year five to be a top 10 NFL team. I think that is a more than reasonable expectation that allows many offseason cycles to continue to draft well, expand our roster core, make key signings, fix glaring roster holes and add the necessary experience to be a title winning team.

K, OL, LB seem to be the positions that need the most help. Kicker is a major need. I wouldn't be against a veteran QB but I don't think that is likely.

Says the guy that is only here for former Cocks.

I am not anti-RAS, nor anti-elite athlete but the skills need to be there to back that athleticism up. After all, unlike college, almost everyone in the NFL is an top athlete. That's really my rub. The idea that you can just take raw material and mold it into whatever you like. That doesn't often work in the NFL. If you already aren't pretty proficient at your craft by the time you get out of college, the odds are that learning curve may be too steep in the NFL. That's really what my concern about that specifically is, that they lean too heavily on their ability to make something out of nothing.

The 4 Man Rush described the stench it emitted as unbearable.

That wasn't Kasay, that was actually @bigskypanthersguy. That's why he's asking for Kasay back.

No he does not chew. He has a staff of expert chewers that masticate his food and then spit it into his mouth to preserve his immaculate jawline from undue wear.

I think the 2020 class will hinge on YGM's development. Brown is likely to be above average as his floor and Chinn appears to be a top 10-15 at his position as his floor. If YGM can develop into at least an above average NFL starter, that will be an exceptional draft class. Pride, Robinson, Roy and STO provided some decent roster filler material, which is about as good as you can expect from that part of the draft.

Ya'll need to stop doing this to yourselves. This draft class has suited up for a combined 0 games. I agree there is a lot of promise with the group but the level of victory laps being taken over our grand success is completely unwarranted. This is how you get people calling 6th rounders "busts."

This is BIG concern I have as well. Same with the obsession with RAS, wanting linemen that are above all versatile, etc. Those are all things you do in college that don't always transfer to the NFL. If you haven't been successful in multiple NFL stops(Erving/Elflein), the problem is probably the player. If you have a history of being injured(Perryman), that isn't likely to change. If you are an elite college athlete that didn't produce in college(Heyward-Bey), that typically doesn't bode well for NFL production. These are areas that I will admit concern me a lot about Rhule. What I hope happens is that the failures in these areas are quickly filed away as experience and he learns from these cases as we make mistakes. I do think a big failing initially was not having someone in the organization with a lot of NFL coaching experience to help him out.