kungfoodude

Agreed. I don't recall any real reports of any other serious interest for Darnold. The Jets straight up fleeced us.

It is funny to blame the fans for selling their tickets when the franchise is unable to put a watchable product on the field with any consistency. The fact that we are seeing more opposing fans is that we have had a winning season since 2017. How about you show me a current NFL team with a similar losing streak that isn't seeing fans not attend games.

Hindsight? Hindsight??? Bro, I was on the "Hell No To Darnold" ship before that trade was even mentioned. Feel free to search this forum for those receipts. If I had whiffed on Stafford and Watson, I am scrambling for every veteran QB available at that time. Tyrod Taylor, Jacoby Brissett, Andy Dalton, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Jameis Winston, etc. fuging ANYONE that can be a mid to lower level starter in the NFL. Then I am looking at QB prospects in the draft. If I think Fields is the guy at 8, I take Fields. If not, draft Slater(wanted Sewell, FWIW) and see if there is another young QB to bring in through the draft(Davis Mills). If all that fails in the draft, start looking at guys like Trubisky to bring in on cheap one year deals to create a competition. So, none of that was difficult go accomplish. None of it. Because I have multiple options to pursue, regardless of what is available. But, these guys? They trade three draft picks for a talented but well proven bust. Then they double down by signing his 5th year option. How about this, name a QB needy team in the 2021 offseason that flubbed it as badly as ours at the moment?

Yeah, he is so bad that 3rd string is likely where he slots right now. IMO, he will go to one more team as a backup and then be out of the NFL.

Rhule has final roster decisions. My ultimate guess is that Rhule is largely the architect during the offseason, when he has time to deal with player evaluations. Fitterer is largely responsible for the mid-season moves, where Rhule is consumed by trying to finish "How to be an NFL Coach for Dummies" during the week.

You have a player that was a massive bust that is on a cheap, on year prove it deal. Then you immediately pay him a large guaranteed salary with the most interaction with him being over Zoom. Super, super, super not smart. What makes it worse? The fact we gave up multiple picks for him.

Yeah, hence why I bristled at that comparison. Cam was far from perfect his rookie season be he was a phenomenon. Coordinators had to game plan for him. Fields may be that guy eventually, but he is not that guy so far. He's a struggling, talented rookie QB trying to figure it all out.

The issue really are his dramatic failures on QB and the OL. The draft hasn't looked great this year but we are also talking about half a season into young players careers. Also, his trades for Henderson and Gilmore make the selection of Horn look bad. I realize that it is mostly perception but when you look at the OL and QB(both positions we could have upgraded), it does hurt the argument for CB in hindsight. Now, all that said.....this is 99% Rhule's fault. The buck stops with him on personnel, so he takes the blame.

Whoever said yes, please forward the current drugs you are on.

Don't forget Fox and AJ Bouye who have played well. Tremble and Nixon look like good pickups. The BC and Brown draft picks make his OL efforts look even worse.

Yeah but we heard the bad coaching angle with Darnold and it turned out to not be the case. I liked Fields at the time but he appears to be a project. We will see in about 2-3 years how it is progressing. I'd definitely rather have him than Darnold because at least there is the hope for the future, but nothing he did on Monday night looked like a rookie starting his ascension to elite status.

Young Cam? Cam was immediately better than Fields. I understand the comparison but Cam was much better early in his career than Fields has been.

There is an opponent adjusted DVOA.

And how would anything I said have impacted our defense? How is that awesome defense doing so far? 4-5 record?

Anyone over Sam was the right call. Anyone. Because in all those cases we wouldn't have traded draft capital nor be paying a non-NFL capable QB $18 mil next season. Also....the correct answer in 2021 was Slater. The correct answer after that was not trading down and drafting....another offensive lineman. And then not trading down again and drafting....another offensive lineman.

If you look at the bottom 5 Pass Rush Win Rate teams and the bottom 5 Adjusted Sack Rate(FO Stat) teams, you will find almost every QB in that group has outplayed Darnold by a considerable margin. The idea that good or great QB play is impossible with shitty a OL is a myth.

I don't doubt he is trying. He literally cannot help that he is not good at this. Why do you think I blame Rhule? He was dumb enough to trade for him, dumb enough to not have an NFL backup QB and dumb enough to keep trotting out a guy who very, very, very, VERY, VERY clearly cannot play this position in the NFL. So, I will continue to blame almost all of Darnold's play on Darnold, because it is fundamentally his fault. And I will continue to blame everything Darnold has done and will continue to do to destroy this team, squarely on Mr. Final Say's shoulders. Never thought I would flip on Rhule this quick but I would be just fine canning him this week.

So did so many of us. I mean....you don't need to be much more than a mediocre Madden GM to sniff out how bad those signings were.

But but but....I was told it was impossible for a QB to play well behind that kind of line. What happened there???

Are you related to Sam?

He wasn't playing as well as the results were in those first four games. There is no doubt our lack of creativity on offense has led to the offense grinding to a halt. However, no one is forcing Sam to heave these ill advised throws up. He isn't even being pressured half the time when he is doing so.

Not in the first round. I am on record multitudes of times as saying this is a bad QB draft. Using a first round pick on a QB prospect in this draft will be pure panic. Get the best OL available in the first round and fix something we can fix.

The staff has made the problems consistently worse by shuffling the deck along the OL nonstop. Oh, and signing dumpster fire, oft-injured free agent OL.

He is the worst QB in the NFL. His play is 100% indefensible. Even our idiot head coach basically sat in front of the media on Sunday and basically said, "You can't throw these passes." He is fuging TERRIBLE.

His play is his fault. We are 3.5+ years in with the same sorry poo. Let me guess, we should sign Rosen and JaMarcus Russell too? After all, hope springs eternal!