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Neither of their statistics come even close to what OBJ did. It's fine to hate a player for being a douche but you can't take away their on field accomplishments. There have been few if any WR's that had as dominant a start to their NFL careers as OBJ. That wasn't being in a "market." He was legit one of the top 2-4 WR's in the NFL his first three years in the league.

Rhule has final say on personnel. This was a condition of him accepting the job at Carolina. This is a widely known and reported fact. Considering the money(and draft capital) we have shelled out for Darnold and Teddy, I am not sure resigning Cam could even eclipse how dumb we have been since(contract dependant, of course).

He hasn't been. He's been a bum most of the year.

He may end up clearing waivers. If he gets picked up, the team is on the hook for the rest of his rather large salary for this year(I believe). He has $15 mil/year in 2022 and 2023 but zero of that money is guaranteed. It's possible teams may just want to get him on an even smaller deal since he is a head case and injury prone. Remember that Antonio Brown never recovered his market value after all his hysterics.

Hey, he was 24 of 34 against Detroit. 26 of 34 if you count the completions to the Lions.

You do see some bulking up and some cutting down(Cam and Big Ben come to mind on slimming down). Outside of someone like Mac Jones, who was physically about as unimpressive as can be, I would say the majority of QB's are still in pretty good shape. Getting bigger and stronger might help for a bruising runner like Allen or Cam but that also isn't a recipe for longevity. If you think about the muscles being used for throwing a football, it isn't that you necessarily want them big and bulky. Hence why you don't see a bunch of swole up MLB pitchers.

Yeah, MLB doesn't stick out as much as QB/OL. Those positions are actively losing us games.

Well we started from absolutely nothing after 2019, so it will take time to address everything.

Picking Teddy Bridgewater, Sam Darnold and PJ Walker isn't bad luck. He inherited zero of those players. He pursued and signed all of them. That is 100% his fault. Bad luck is getting a rookie QB who has a injury plauged career. Bad luck is not overpaying a career mediocre player like Teddy. Bad luck is not picking up an ex-player and NFL washout in PJ Walker. Bad luck is not taking a three year NFL starting bust with well known issues reading the field and then trading for him. None of those decisions are bad luck.

Name another three time Pro Bowl WR in their first three seasons.

Yeah, I'd take Jones over Teddy at the moment but I get your point.

Well, he is on pace for a 4000+ yard season and at a 68+ completion percentage, as well. That's nothing to sneeze at, especially as a rookie. His TD production is pretty middling but the rest of his throwing stats are fairly solid to impressive.

Agreed. If he is cheap, he is an acceptable level of roster weakness. We have much, much, MUCH larger holes on the roster that are actually costing us games. Those need to be addressed first. So we'll probably go LB in the 1st round.

I am hoping he will have some extra fire in his belly to stick it to New England. His assignment this week will be much easier than Kyle Pitts.

Outside the last three years, his career average is 92.8 yds/game. Don't use him being a nutcase and banged up to diminish how good of a player he was. I remember people doing that to Terrell Owens too. I hated that dude but he was an all-time great WR.

Yeah, but by the time you reach the NFL, you are much closer to being a finished product than in HS or college. Obviously improvements can happen but you are typically within the range of your physical limits by the time you get to the NFL. QB's are always tinkering with and improving mechanics over their careers but you don't see big jumps in throwing ability at this level. Most of that is cleaning up bad habits or working out consistency issues.

That wasn't propelled him to super stardom, it was the 288 receptions, 4122 yds and 35 TDs in his first three season in the NFL. He was a three time Pro Bowler on his rookie deal. The bulk of his issues are health related. In his last five seasons, he had played more than 7 games a year just twice. Both those years he was a 1000+ yard WR. Don't get it twisted, OBJ was one of the best WR's in the NFL. The question is, is he still that?

8-9 wins in year 2 would be basically the Rhule college track record. That should mean we are looking at a big 2022 season. But, Rhule is catching heat because some of his biggest mistakes(QB and OL) are costing us game after game when he was the guy making those decisions. That goes with being the "final say" on personnel decisions. You are taking FO heat too.

Processing can improve over time and most rookies will struggle with "getting up to NFL speed" but when your struggles are so obvious and apparent(which Darnold's were), that typically indicates there isn't anything to be done. High ceiling players typically will get a 2nd or 3rd chance because some GM or coach will believe they can be the one to get all that potential out of them. But that rarely ever happens as a professional player. It's really on the players themselves to become great in the NFL. At least if you are above average at processing and reading defenses you can typically have a lengthy backup QB career even lacking much in terms of NFL physical ability. But, that was why so many of us were anti-Darnold. I don't care what his physical abilities are, he can't fuging read the goddamn field. All those physical skills aren't worth a fug.

Not bad. I didn't do the prep so IMO, I would have done it a little differently. It was pretty good though. Also did stuffed smoked peppers, smoked chicken wings. The early morning was Belgian waffle sliders. I think I did three different versions. - Chorizo, fried sweet plantains, queso fresco, egg, double barrel aged maple syrup - Peanut butter, bananas, honey, bacon, double barrel aged maple syrup - Apple, smoked gouda, bacon egg, double barrel aged maple syrup

Brady was not lacking in arm strength. It has diminished over time but he is not a noodle armed QB by any stretch. Brees arm strength was relatively average. It became less so as he got older. He made up for it with insanely elite processing, accuracy, timing, etc. He just simply didn't make many mistakes(until the playoffs where he would gloriously choke like a dog). Physical attributes matter but only with other very good or elite attributes, as well. I am not discounting that as an idea. But, if you have an elite arm or are an elite athlete at that position, you have the ability to make plays that make even a perfectly executed defense look stupid. Or the ability to rifle a pass or rip of a run that only a handful of guys in the league can accomplish. That stresses a defense 100% of the game. With the less physically skilled guys, it removes parts of the field or it doesn't require specific attention. With Brees, he had to be nearly perfect to accomplish what he did, especially at the end of his career. But, he largely was. And, like you said, he was also in the perfect offense for him.

Actually, it might not be that expensive to upgrade OLB in free agency. If you remove elite players and edge rushers, quality LB's are pretty affordable in the modern NFL.

Well, in fairness, his stats are fairly impressive. His play is less impressive. He definitely fits the system they run there.

I never did participate in this thread Sunday(mainly due to starting drinking at 8 AM). This was what we smoked for the game....