kungfoodude

It was the combination of various factors but I agree that they had a much better situation in Tampa than we had. I don't think Brady would have followed Joe Judge either.

Don't use Rhule as a bar for good coaching. You can accidentally trip over that bar.

I think Brady basically got to pick where he wanted to go and it wasn't like a QB-less team was gonna say no. Arians is not a great coach. Not a terrible coach but some pretty big flaws and mainly regarding QB's. Brady solved his biggest weakness.

Well it really changed when they got Brady, TBH.

He is the second offensive player to out us on some simple poo. Plus all the quotes you hear about how easy we are to defend. We are probably a complete joke behind closed doors in the NFL.

From Robby, to Reddick to Burns....the angst is obvious. Two of those three are Rhule's boys too. That speaks volumes.

Yeah, we are seeing the same poo across two seasons and 4 different QB's now. I think the answer is obviously the offense is not NFL caliber. Doesn't mean this assembly of QB's has been adequate. The common thread? Matt Rhule chose all of this.

I think a LOT of this will have to be hindsight evaluation when Rhule and Co. are gone. It's a coin flip on poor initial evaluation/scouting vs. poor development/coaching ATM. I am VERY curious to see if Tepper pulls the plug on the staff this offseason. I think we are already seeing signs of the team quitting or the staff messages not really resonating. I think if we had a lot more veteran presence on the team, some of this would be more readily visible.

Somewhat yes and somewhat no. They are actually fairly close. OU SEC has a far lower ceiling right now than USC Pac 12 does.

TBD, IMO. He played really poorly yesterday but he did have SOME help. If he shits the bed another game or two, I can see how this makes sense.

Yeah, unfortunately we have no idea how it all went down. I HOPE it was Rhule pushing to get him and Fitt having to reluctantly overpay. That's the best case scenario. Same with the 5th year option. If not.....oof. But, he has also made some pretty shrewd acquisitions as well. It's at best and worst a mixed bag.

We simply don't know how much is or isn't Fitt's fault because we don't know how many of these moves he is initiating. We know he fuged up on the Darnold trade terms and got fleeced.

Yeah, I can't tell if he just isn't the guy or we haven't developed him at all. Probably some of both.

Yep. Dude wanted total control so he should get total blame. That's how that works.

I mean....same in GB but the results..... You think this crowd would do as well with GB and Dallas? I legit don't.

I have to disagree. Could make the same argument for his stop in GB but he does have only 4 losing seasons in 15 years in the NFL. You can't suck that badly and get those results. I don't think there is much question he is better than Rhule.

Applies to a lot of NFL head coaches. You never know, it could apply to guys like Rhule or Brady eventually too. It just obviously isn't in this stop.

I still don't believe in McCarthy either but I know he's better than Matt Rhule.

Neither a new OL nor new OC will fix our issues. The real problem is obvious.

I mean.....consider who we are comparing him to, though. He's infinitely better than Rhule.

poo....we should have hired Mike McCarthy too. Who saw that coming??

Way too early to say bust but I am not seeing anything drastically different than the start of Vernon Butler's career.

The fact that he was billed as a strong run defender is the real rub. He has not been that at all. Very undisciplined in the run game.