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And also....Tua just wasn't as good of a prospect. Additionally, Herbert wasn't a failure of the NFL, it was a failure of your evaluation. The system you play in college matters to an extent, but you need to be looking for NFL traits and the ability to pick up offensive concepts. Even we as amateur evaluators can handle some of the first portion of that. The rest is hard to glean without interviewing him and also without years of experience playing and/or coaching football. I will point out that it is odd that you hated Herbert for the offense he played in but it's very similar to what Howell played in at UNC. What is the disconnect?

A bit below average? This post isn't going to age well.

The NFL whiffed on the 6th overall pick? That is an odd way to say one team whiffed on a pick. One team amongst the worst 6 teams.

The weaknesses in the OT's pale in comparison to the weaknesses in the QB's. Of the guys that could even have reasonable hope of potentially being successful(Pickett, Willis, Corral) the path to get their either has a pretty limited ceiling or a LOT of development needed. Versus the OT's which largely need refinement or bulking up(Cross specifically). This isn't really even a fair discussion when you compare the top 6 at each of these positions. The QB class is just SAS. The DE class is leaps and bounds better than this QB class through 6 players, for that matter.

This will be another Herbert moment for you. Literally watch BC play.

It actually does add up. You aren't using the right math.

That is the thing, if you have a QB you really think is the guy, take him at 6. If you are after a QB and you are trading down into the mid to late 1st to grab him, you obviously aren't sold on him either. And I am saying this as a guy that is low on this entire class.

Or an elite DE, for that matter. I think the thing that most people who love Fitterer so much conveniently forget this is Tepper and Rhule's hand picked guy. Ya'll remember the decisions these dopes have been making, right?

We will inevitably fug this up. I suspect if this happens it will be the start of the opinions turning against Fitterer in larger numbers.

It is probably hard to find a worse predictor of success than PFF college ratings. Hence why their NFL draft big boards are usually so unbelievably bad.

He isn't one of the top 8 OT's in this class. likely lower than that. If they believe he is the long term answer at LT, all the more reason to get rid of those people.

Well, if you don't just take one of those top DE's or LT's.....that's just dumb.

I think that is why guys like Ekwonu and Penning stand out specifically to me. They just have that personality that they are going to try and destroy you every play.

This is just basically posturing and dick measuring. I suspect this will all get worked out eventually.

Not sure you are getting what I meant.

Johnny Manziel didn't save Mike Pettine's job.

Yeah, the Rhule thing has soured me pretty badly.

No, I do understand that. The mobile QB's are much a spectrum than just "running QB" and "statue." Hence why I kept saying athletic or athlete. A guy like Mahomes or Russell Wilson are very good, very mobile QB's but their biggest weapons are their arms. And that is basically what I mean. In the NFL, it is way more difficult to find a home in the league if you aren't an athletic QB. The college game figures this out first and now the NFL is following suit. Doesn't mean you HAVE to be a great or good athlete to succeed but more often than not, the guys that stick around the league now are or were good athletes(with some decline due to age for some of them). Lamar is also a bad example of a guy who can throw because he not only has a good career completion percentage but a low Int Rate, as well. He's a very good thrower, but it gets overshadowed by what he does with his legs.

Brett Favre is a pretty bad example by accuracy standards. He's basically a backup by today's @ standard

Fine but you are quite literally ignoring that the NFL examples referenced don't have major accuracy issues. Running QB's that can't hit the broadside of a barn(The Golden Calf of Bristol for example) don't survive long in the NFL.

The difference is that being an athlete is almost a requirement now, because of the factors you and I have mentioned. The idea that running QB's don't have value or aren't successful is as ridiculous as saying the QB position hasn't changed dramatically because of the increased athletic ability of the average NFL QB. The game changed and being athletic was a part of that.

People just aren't accepting of the fact that the expectations of QB's changing. Being an athlete and being able to be a threat with your legs adds to the effectiveness of your throwing. It's an extra element that stresses a defense. Hence why it is valued even beyond a "running QB."

He didn't seem to have a problem explaining to his players that he could go back to college and make money.

The game has dramatically changed. Especially QB play. Look at how all the statues are basically all but gone from the starting QB ranks. Being athletic(albeit not necessarily a running QB) is almost a necessity at this point. While the rules have favored passing offenses, they have also made life very hard for the OL in pass protection. QB mobility has never been able to make up for poor passing. That has not been a thing that has ever existed in the NFL for a significant length of time.

There are a bunch of different ways to skin that cat but they are all costly. The NFL isn't going to spend a bunch of money on that unless it helps their bottom line.