kungfoodude

I actually don't want Wagner. He is a "win now" piece and will either want to chase rings or a payday. Chasing rings he can't do here and I don't want expensive veterans chasing one last big payday. That's how you end up in cap hell. Ask Marty Hurney.

I don't think Carroll was overrated. I think he just didn't adjust to the current era of the NFL. Which, he's 70....that is understandable.

I don't believe that. I had Snyder vibes very early on with Tepper and I warned that was possible. The more time passes, the more I see it. Love or hate JR, he played professional football. He knew professional football. This dude.....knows absolutely nothing. Which, that doesn't mean he can't succeed but it is hard when you see him make so many Snyder/Jones-esque mistakes. I also don't believe in this roster. Our issues go well beyond just a QB and OL, although they are by far the biggest ones. The fact that our run defense has been mediocre to terrible isn't an accident. We don't have the players to make this scheme successful in that area. It's debatable if this scheme will ever be particularly successful at stopping the run. Our secondary has some hope but that is hanging by a razor's edge. If Jackson and Gilmore are gone, we are back to almost square one. Horn, who may be great and a bunch of guys that are question marks or JAGS. At safety we have Chinn but it may take him a while to be great as a well rounded safety in the NFL. And that isn't even touching the issues with our pass rushers. This isn't a complete team. It is a team that is very close to being a bottom five roster in the NFL. It wouldn't take much for it to head in that direction. It takes a lot of things going well for it to be a top 12 roster.

I will wait until it leaves the Twitter verse and gets to some journalists with more NFL/Panthers connections before I just off the cliff yet. And, don't get me wrong, love Watson the player but paying a king's ransom for a guy that may be out of football for a while would be next level stupid. They better know something we don't if this does happen. They better know this was all BS or he is gonna get off with a mild punishment or something. And that is not even diving into the level of character situation that the fans will have to tolerate. I am not the "trial by media" type of dude but the amount of smoke there.....woof.

Good to great? This isn't gonna age well.....

Wilson elevates the team quite a bit but it wasn't like QB was the one thing keeping them from being a contender like the Rams. Which, I hope they aren't able to out it together. fug the Broncos.

If this happens.....we are a laughingstock for a long time. Sean Gilbert, step aside.

That is ultimately the problem with ownership driven issues. It isn't hard for the WTFs/Foreskins/Rocketeers to be successful, but it is with Dan Snyder in charge.

Honestly, yeah. I think we are too. There is a small shred of hope somewhere in me that thinks maybe with a new coach it will all be better but the warning signs are all there. Talented depleted roster, bad salary cap decisions and bad contracts, poor roster decisions, poor drafting, and worst of all......meddling, dumb fug owner. Everything is there to make us a cellar dweller for decades.

Tepper wants the impossible, to make this attractive to an elite QB like Stafford, Watson, Wilson, etc. It just isn't gonna happen. You need to build something players believe in first and we are failing miserably at that. We have no real option for finding an elite QB other than the draft. That's it. Now, on a weirdly positive note, we should be seeing top 5-10 picks for quite some time, so as long as we don't squander more opportunities, we will have a lot of shots to get a guy. Whether we have a team that will allow them to make us successful, who knows?

Safety is a second need? On the Panthers??? Damn. You are stupid.

The difference is that Denver wasn't already a competitive team. They are talented but not good. LA was only a couple of years removed from a SB appearance, were competitive and insanely talented. Wilson makes then a SB contender but I don't think I would consider them a favorite.

Our path is far worse, unfortunately. While they didn't get much in terms of compensation, at least they got something. Losing Cam and trying to replace him has only cost us more and more. All this while we very intentionally stripped almost all talent from the roster. As bad as it will be as a Seahawks fan, they got a title and an amazing run while they go back to square one. We are sliding back ever further into the Bengals/Browns/Jets category of ineptitude.

Giving an elite QB will haunt then but they did dig that hole for a while. Wilson covered up years of poor drafting and bad personnel choices. If they keep drafting the way they have been, the picks they got aren't going to accomplish much.

He's just stupid. The one thing you learn arguing with dumb people is you never chance their POV, they just bring you to their level.

Well we also don't have those picks to even offer. No 2nd this year. Our picks should have more value, though. They will be top 5-10 for the foreseeable future. I also highly doubt Wilson would waive a no trade clause to come here. Similar to Watson, actually. The truth is, none of the elite QB's in the NFL want anything to do with us in our current state.

Now I just question your knowledge of football.

You must be a Darnold fan. No other explanation.

So we are/were pursuing Watson but not Wilson??? I hope it has to do with him not wanting to be traded here....otherwise we are pretty dumb.

Ugh. I hate the Broncos and now they get an elite QB for a pretty reasonable price. Jesus. We are just gonna suck for a long time. Like the Seahawks now.

I don't love taking him at 6 but I don't hate it. I do think Penning will be successful somewhere on the OL. Can't say the same for Brown or Christensen.

Yeah, hence why we suck so badly. Worry about churning the bottom of the roster when it doesn't basically look the same as the top of the roster.

I don't want to trade up. We don't have the luxury of spending those resources. If we can get a top 3 OT at 6, just do that. If not, explore trade down options. After all, we should be able to get a starting OL in the first round. If a starting quality tackle is still available, don't trade down so far you miss on that.

It stung we thrice when we passed on Slater. That was my dude.