kungfoodude

Valid. Cam was still able to be an effective dink and dunk QB(look at his NE time) but that isn't Cam Newton anymore.

1000%. Both among the discussion for greatest "scrambling" QB's off all time. But when you rely on that so heavily, it's devastating when it goes away. Look at Cam when he lost his arm. He relied as heavily on the dual threat of his howitzer of an arm and his massive physical size/athletic ability. Once the arm went, he was no longer an effective NFL QB.

Some of that is offense. I mean playing style. Look how often both of them extended plays by scrambling to hit long passes. Both relied heavily on that athletic ability to QB effectively.

We don't have a lot of assets that most will want. The bulk that we so are basically no fly zones. I get the want to make upgrades but there are not likely to be cheap and available upgrades at a reasonable cost. It's possible but not probable.

Our coaching staff has consistently struggled when it comes to in game adjustments. It's been a common thread the entire Canales tenure.

Yeah. Andy deserves the blame for continuing to trot out there if he couldn't do it. He deserves the blame for holding on to the ball and making idiotic decisions. But....the coaching staff deserves a boatload of blame for these insanely moronic personnel decisions.

We had Hooker active. He is horrifyingly bad but, be honest, what was the thought process behind not playing him in the 4th? If he is that fuging bad that he isn't worthy of a couple of drives is an absolute ass whipping, how the fug has he even maintained a spot on the PS?? Overall, this is just more and more damning to the coaching staff, IMO.

Honestly, throw investment out of the window. For better or for worse, what we gave up would have to result in a Super Bowl or HOF or MVP or multiple Pro Bowls. He was almost always going to massively struggle with living up to cost. He has also been a massive letdown in terms of draft position, however. Enormously so. Zach Wilson level.

Wilson is the guy that the Huddle pines for. One of the best deep balls guys in NFL history. The issue is that much like his career comp I have made previously, Donovan McNabb, his age has killed his ability to scramble and that has MASSIVELY reduced his effectiveness. He was what the Bryce homers truly thought he was going to be, a guy that extends plays until the big bomb comes available. And we all saw how McNabb went out when his mobility went away. Enter....current Russell Wilson. For Wilson to have a career resurgence, he would have to completely change the way he plays the game and I am reminded of the "old dog, new tricks" adage. TLDR: He is washed. He will just make everyone but the WEEEEE LONG BALL guys infuriated.

I never truly bought into that narrative. Could have easily been a Browns smear campaign. I am sure the experience caused him to dig a little deeper and maturation happens naturally. We saw it with Cam too.

INB4 4-6 bad snaps from Corbett. Boy....it is time to draft a MFing center.

Even if he did, he was rarely spraying throws all over the place. He was just holding on to the ball and extending the play to get sacked. The only logic that could potentially be applied is lack of faith in his ability to make the throw because of his thumb. If so, even more damning. So you actively hurt the team because....why exactly???

I didn't think Dalton was gonna be this bad. I was thinking around Bryce Young level bad. The perplexing thing about Sunday wasn't anything physical, it was mental. That's inexcusable as a long time, successful veteran and as a backup QB. You can't just show up and poop your pants when you get the shot. Well that was cholera.

I am using the term differently, neither of us are using it in the true investment industry sense of meaning. I mean basically a formerly high value asset that is now reduced in value due to their own performance. In Baker's case, that was not true at all. The Browns just soured on him and moved him at a low value to us. Jones was a little bit of a mix. He was a middle to lower tier NFL starter on a bad contract extension. I use that term for guys like Wilson, Young, etc because they seem to be largely responsible for their own shortcomings, with some caveats.

A high ceiling and/or highly drafted QB that didn't pan out with the initial or subsequent teams. Mayfield was not a distressed asset. The Panthers made that appear to be the case. Jones was an upper tier version of that what I am talking about but he also had success with the Giants. It was not all a mess. Think more of a Zach Wilson/Bryce Young/Sam Darnold classic bust.

Okay, okay. I get it. I will say that the pitch there was for two ADDITIONAL options. So, one being a "scratch and dent" QB isn't as critical, especially when paired with a rookie QB. That's just more darts at the board. Not the best strategy but it's better than standing pat with Dalton and whatever these couch QB's are. Ideally, you find a capable veteran but I really don't see that as likely.

Well, two of the only QB's that have performed worse than Bryce are Gabriel and Ward. In limited time playing, only Ewers and Shough were worse than Gabriel and Ward.

You want Dalton, Hooker or White??? What answer is on the roster?

I keep telling people this. We got some people here insanely high on hopium. On Dalton, to continue to play and start a QB with a broken thumb makes Canales look even more insanely stupid as a head coach. If it happens again this week, even with Hooker/White as our only available options......I am 100% okay with terminating him immediately after the game. This level of stupidity is starting to get into Matt Rhule territory.

In fairness, the 2025 QB class has looked like absolute ass.

It's not a massive investment so "beyond stupid" is hyperbolic. It's just generally unnecessary. At this point, the results have been basically very similar. He can elevate his game to moderate game manager levels at his peak and mostly he is a significantly below average NFL QB. He is essentially an upper half NFL backup QB at the moment. It's possible he develops eventually. I will never say it's IMPOSSIBLE for that to happen but does anyone honestly think that is likely? If so, based on what aspects of his 2.5 year career so far? Why does his gameplay look so similar to 2023 when the investments in the offense have been so immense?

He is 39th in QBERT, 24th in QBR(of 33 qualifying), 26th in QB Rating, 21st in Success Rate, 29th in Completion% Above Expectation, etc, etc.

No, he's a top 20 guy but he isn't an elite pass rusher. That was always the argument against paying him. Also, he isn't versatile. He is very frequently a big liability if the opposing team runs at him.

I would be fine with that.

I could do an average or a weighted distribution for each round. I would want to use something like Career AV or similar to do that. It's a little more straightforward. I am generally wanting to keep it as a "round based" thing because I want to ultimately use it to gauge when/where to draft QB's based on results.