kungfoodude

This is an NFL forum. I am sure you are used to being perpetually confused but college homerism is how you end up drafting like Michael Jordan did for the Bobnets.

Spoken like someone who literally has no idea what they are talking about. During the 1999-2017 span Cleveland drafted a total of two QB's in the first round, Tim Couch(#1 overall in 1999) and Johnny Manziel(#22 overall in 2014). But that era was marked by repeated turnover at QB. Lower round draft picks, journeymen, roster discards, etc. If you actually expand that era(which would be somewhat fair) to include up to the present, that would net another likely bust QB in Baker Mayfield taken #1 overall in 2022. Regardless, it has been a roughly 18-22 year span of over 20 starting QB's. That's bad. It's also better through the first 5 years than our span has been from 2018-2022. We have started more QB's and had less team success.

Yeah, we are basically in a 1999-2017 Browns era of our own and fuging up at QB was a hallmark of that horrible stretch for them. Including multiple bad first round QB's. We absolutely need a franchise QB. But if you don't see The Guy, don't just keep throwing darts at the board with 1st round picks. Consequently, if you do see The Guy(or Guys), fuging trade up and get them.

Like clockwork, college homers hyping their boys every Saturday.

Yeah, I kind of already knew this season was likely to be difficult to watch because we retained Rhule, so I haven't been very emotionally invested. I watch the games but I don't get upset or elated. If we lose out and end up with a top 3 pick, I'm fine with that. If we rally and win the division, that's fine too. I think mentally I have been on to next season since about Jan/Feb.

Early mock drafts are about 95% mock drafter and 5% league sources and scouting consensus. Towards the draft it gets to about 60/40.

Yeah there are a lot of the most vocal sunshiners that made themselves scarce. Oddly enough, this is maybe the most hopeful I have been since season 1 of Rhule. Even if we keep losing, I see that there is something worth building on. As for the Bengals, very winnable game for us. They aren't unbeatable by any stretch. We just have to keep Burrow from being magic. That fuger can pull some stuff at of his ass, that is for damn sure.

Hurts is a surprise there.

I don't care at all about the college aspect of him but he's a middling prospect at best. He does nothing at an elite level and very little at an above average level for the NFL. If we took him in the 5th or lower, I wouldn't particularly care. But anything above that and I will be shaking my head.

Maybe his account got hacked by Rex Ryan's OF content manager.

Matt, you got fired. Please log out.

Fair enough. I think QB is a must because Corral is unlikely to amount to much. Still don't have an idea on what the 2023 class will ultimately be.

I actually didn't think that was rude at all. I am just saying I don't understand what you are seeing. That video doesn't show much in the way of NFL ability. Especially NFL starting ability.

Okay, I will out it a different way that might apply more in your mind. He didn't do NFL things in that video. He did a lot of things you can't do in the NFL.

Yeah but he still throws like that. All those crazy off platform throws that announcers jerk off all over.....that is the stuff that guy in the article is calling atrocious. His mechanics are better now and he did work on it before he got to the NFL but all good QB's always tweak things. Ask Peyton Manning. Rivers is a good example of a guy that always had an odd sidearm style but it worked for him.

That's tweaking versus reinventing.

Making a QB "fix his motion" at this level, is likely to lead to a JaMarcus Russell level bust. You might be able to tweak things here or there but not many QB's reinvent their throwing motion in the NFL and even succeed after they try.

I believe there is a website that did does an annual draft breakdown that very clearly indicated Mel Kiper was in the middle to lower tier of TV draft analysts. Kiper stands out as a complete idiot for his wildly moronic takes in pretty obvious situations on occasion. Also, the Clausen situation definitely tarnished his reputation as it clearly showed he doesn't have much in the way of even journalistic integrity.

Also if you are comparing Johnston to Calvin Johnson, that tells me you didn't watch Calvin Johnson in college.

I am not sure what you are watching but there is almost no elite NFL ability in that video.

Yes he is.

Yeah and the deck is stacked against modern RB's.