kungfoodude

Yeah, it was intentional. That's what we are going to find out this coming offseason.

TBD. Good candidates don't typically gravitate towards dumpster fire organizations.

Declining the interview is basically the same thing. Leftwich did interview with Jacksonville and pulled out of the running when the second round of interviews came. McDaniels accepted and then famously backed out.

Yeah, that's what I mean. Check the original post and you will see I said HC and OC.

Tony Elliott turned us down in 2019, although that was likely due to the Rooney Rule. Pep Hamilton turned us down this past offseason because he expected to have better opportunities available. I believe Leftwich turned down a HC opportunity this past offseason(Jags maybe? as well. It's not uncommon. Remember McDaniels turning down multiple opportunities?

The cap is easy to manipulate in the modern era. I think we have sharp enough people here to easily be able to do that. That can is able to be kicked almost indefinitely as many teams have shown over the past 4-6 years.

I will take versus the Broncos. They really are ass.

If you have paid attention to our previous coaching searches, you will notice that we were flatly turned down for interviews by some HC and OC candidates. Not every prospective coach wants any job out there. That happens every hiring cycle.

Not to mention that a player who so willingly accepts losing is probably not one you should keep around. You want players and coaches that strive to win every single down, even if they obviously know the hand they have been dealt is a losing hand.

You misunderstand. "Concrete path" is meant to convey the path getting TO a QB, less so getting to the right QB. IE, whether we decide to answer that question in free agency(again) or through the draft. So if we try and court a HC without a shot at a highly rated QB in the draft or a shot at a franchise QB through free agency/trade, it's gonna be a tough sell. If we had an answer at QB already, it becomes a much easier question but it isn't terribly often that jobs come open with franchise QB's present on those teams. For us, we have Matt Corral under contract and a bunch of journeyman or bust FA QB's assembled. That isn't going to attract many candidates by itself.

It might or we might have a winning record in year one. The point being that the right coach and/or the right QB will get us back to winning. Sustained success will take consistent work to improve but simply getting to 9-8 is not hard at all.

Eh....if there is a guy(QB) that the FO loves in 2023, you take that guy. If not, I can see the value in punting to 2024. But you have to have a concrete path to answering the QB question. Part of that will factor heavily into our HC search. Not many prospective HC's are gonna want to come to a place that can't get the most important position in the league correct. I can understand not trusting the FO. I can understand not trusting the owner. But if those aren't major concerns, it isn't anywhere close to impossible to turn this team around. We keep looking at this chaos that our previous staff(and some current staff) has wrought and believing it's not possible to undo. Well the NFL is littered with examples of that not being the case.

Yeah, sometimes you die on those ride or die dudes. It just is what it is.

Yeah but that isn't a fair comparison. You can't expect a 1st round QB to perform the same as a 7th round QB, almost regardless of the season. There are certainly outliers that exist but the long term statistics bear out that the success rate is higher for 1st round QB's. Considerably so as the rounds go lower. So Pickett, Willis, Ridder, Howell, Corral, etc.....that class is less likely to net a franchise QB or even good journeyman because it wasn't a good QB class and the opportunities will naturally be less. You might get a Geno Smith story or a Russell Wilson story but those are exceptional because....well....they are the exception.

Well considering only one went in the first round and most are riding the pine as 3rd round or lower guys, I don't think last year's class is a good example of that. If you go to the class before, that's probably a better argument. But Lawrence had a dreadful HC in his rookie year(the only one worse than Rhule), Lance didn't play anything but in spots(which would be the example you mention) and Fields struggled mightily on a team with a lot less talent and also a poor coach(now fired). Jones was successful with a far better coach but lesser talent. He is also possibly the lowest ceiling guy from that class. So, half of those cases included bad coaching. Not surprisingly, those two QB's are performing better in year two. Lance unfortunately was injured early so its hard to say how that will turn out. Jones is struggling with a bad coaching(in this case coordinator) situation now but was also the least talented of these guys.

Well Cleveland had and has ample talent from their years of drafting in higher positions. Now, not as much talent as they should have because they also flubbed that to a degree. However, PLENTY of excellent talent has gone through those doors during their 1999 and onward existence. Talent can get you only so far in the NFL. You need quality coaching, good management and good ownership as well. All those things need to be at least above average to put together a winning team and they need to good or great to be able to have extended periods of success and competitiveness. Now, do we have those other elements that will be able to take the talent we at least do have and mold a team? That's the question. I haven't seen very much evidence of that yet.

That can be the results, certainly. But it can also go the other way and you can have immediate success. Lots of factors involved there. Hence why I also said "good coach."

It isn't talent deficient at all. It's not talent rich but we have plenty of pieces to build on and plenty more we can lock in for a couple of more years to stabilize. Yesterday's game isn't the entire season. It's one game. We have seen these players(and coaches) for 9 games now. We know that there are very much talented players on this roster.

It isn't really relevant, TBH. We can take either course and turn this into a team capable of having a winning record. It will take continuous improvement to KEEP winning, so that has to happen, as well. But this idea that it's impossible to turn around our fortunes is ridiculous. My God, look at how terrible this division is for that matter. We can still win this division. That's how bad it is.

We actually have been rebuilding continuously since 2017. It isn't a process that is required to be restarted. We just keep to keep improving the roster and make good decisions with free agents(our own and others).

A good coach and a good QB can do precisely that. Did you see a path to the Eagles being undefeated? Did you see a path to the Giants success this year? This isn't a talent deficient team.

It shouldn't take 2 years to turn this into a winning team. It's been 5 years already. Despite what Tepper and Rhule's dumbasses think, it doesn't take 7 years to make a winning team in the NFL.

To be fair, Corral was also working with a bottom 5 OC. We have to at least consider that in the equation.

I definitely thought Baker was gonna be better than this.

Horn is a very good player, although the injuries are getting concerning. I think we MAY end up with the better player in Ekwonu(higher ceiling), so if he pans out I can forgive passing on Slater. If Fields pans out.....that will be a really tough pill to swallow.