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I can't sign off on the "as decent a lineup as we have seen in a while." That may be the case or it may still be bad. I want Bozeman and Corbett to be good signings but I need to see the play. I want Ekwonu to be an elite LT but I need to see the progression. I want BC, Mays, etc to be good backups or even potential starters but I need to see it. OL is a unit they just have to make be believe first. I can't give them the benefit of the doubt as many years as we have made mistakes there.

There is really no reason to panic over the staff. They are who we thought they were after 2 years in the NFL. That's a problem that will eventually fix itself. We are just going to have to suffer through some more bad football to get there.

Yeah, it's a lot of fans high on copium for the ignorant BS we are seeing. There are two QB's on our roster that MIGHT have a future with us past next season. They are Baker Mayfield and Matt Corral. We KNOW Darnold is gone. Any thought of resigning him is pure insanity. PJ Walker is always on a year to year contract based on what we have available as an upgrade as #3 QB. Given this situation, there is simply zero reason to not have increased Mayfield and/or Corral's reps. At the point where PJ Walker is trotting in a regular season game, things are already off the rails enough that we know our coach is finished.

Yeah, none of us know the truth or even very much of the full picture. I am gleaning my opinion based on what Rhule shows the public, which doesn't have a solid track record of being accurate either. Either way, I hope by some miracle he suddenly becomes not a shitty coach and we can get back to not being a laughingstock franchise. Sadly, I don't have a LOT of hope about that.

I don't think we really intend to move him unless it is a good deal for us. I don't think that good deal is actually available.

Yeah, if you had established value for a player, they would literally already have been traded. PJ has absolutely zero NFL value. He is a dime a dozen amongst 3rd QB's. Darnold has some limited value as a low tier 2nd QB but at his contract value his tradeability is extremely minimal. This idea that we are doing this for trade value is fuging ridiculous. If that is actually the case, there shouldn't be a single fan that isn't incensed.

Greg Little didn't have a $18.8 mil guaranteed contract. There is a reason Little was easy to move, his contract was peanuts.

I don't think a lot of this is very collaborative at all. I think Rhule largely dictates the personnel but the game planning is handled by his coordinators. We obviously don't know the full picture but he seems to like to micromanage elements of practice with his stupid college BS. Then you have the season where he seemed to like to throw the previous OC under the bus about playcalling, something he literally could have taken over at any point.

The goal of TC and preseason isn't to showcase bottom end players for trade bait, it's to get your own team prepared. If Darnold or PJ's reps are being tied to making them more attractive trade options and not purely evaluation for us, then we need to fire Rhule ASAP. That's about as derelict in one's duties as you can get for a coach on the hot seat. Also, they need to figure out who is sticking around because giving reps to a QB that is going to get cut or put on the practice squad(this goes for Darnold, PJ or Corral) is a complete and utter waste of time. These shouldn't be fantastically difficult decisions to make for someone who supposedly is an NFL coach.

Yeah, this is why I was pretty skeptical of the people that were pushing the "nearly elite" OL narrative. It's pretty rare that you go from a bottom 5 unit to an "elite" unit in one offseason. At the bare minimum, our depth looks to be very poor quality. If we can get 1-2 of the additions to pan out, it's a step in the right direction, at least. It is going to take continued investment in that unit to turn that into a strength.

Well this was supposed to be the story from previous joint practices too and it hasn't netted much.

Watch for Pats recording devices.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/34397790/predicting-25-nfl-breakout-candidates-2022-tiers-players-including-trey-lance-rashan-gary-trevor-lawrence-rashod-bateman Tier 2: Pro Bowler to Superstar DJ Moore, WR, Carolina Panthers We might need some help from Baker Mayfield for this one. Moore has been one of the steadiest producers in football despite playing with replacement-level quarterbacks over the past three seasons: https://twitter.com/billbarnwell/status/1558574122640326658?s=20&t=JEvCCAE7Kf5FSDbVj8EK3Q The only thing missing from his profile is touchdowns; he has hasn't topped four in a single season. To pick a round number, Moore has three seasons with at least 1,000 receiving yards and no more than four scores, something only Brian Blades and Henry Ellard have pulled off. Both Blades and Ellard managed to top four scores multiple times in other campaigns, though, and with Mayfield offering a significant boost on Sam Darnold, I would expect Moore to score more often in 2022.

I think a genuine rift between Rhule and Fitterer would be a hard thing to keep a lid on. If there is any potential for this to get interesting it will be if that seat under Matt Rhule gets blazing hot during the season. If that happens, I am curious to see how Fitterer reacts to the guy who hired him possibly getting the axe.

I meant the "QB of the future" comment. They had little way of knowing if he really is/was that when he made that comment. There is no telling what their thoughts on that are now but I don't think even if they had doubts about his future here that they would be blasting him publicly. It's way too early to be making these kind of statements about any strife over a project player. If there is tension between Rhule and Fitterer, I would say it probably goes much deeper than Matt Corral.

Yeah but we also don't know how much of that was just "coach speak." Maybe there is a disconnect or maybe Fitt was saying what he had to.

Yeah, that's bad. We can't keep seeing that or it's going to be another long year of watching QB's get drilled.

It's possible but I would be surprised if the guy that Matt Rhule selected to be his assistant GM would flip on him that quickly. I don't doubt that perhaps Fitterer and Rhule don't agree on everything. I am not sure it is at the level of there being active tension. Especially over a 3rd round rookie player that was only likely to see the field if Mayfield hadn't been traded for and Darnold had been injured.

Well Elflein and Corbett appear on the worst five list is pretty bad. We can't afford to have more poor OL play.

Just a reminder to all the Rhuletards, you assured us the added new coaches would make Matt suddenly have some sort of logical ability. This is very clearly not the case.

The problem is that Fitterer ultimately answers to Rhule, unless something has changed. It may have but remember that was part of this original set up. Rhule has complete control.

Yeah, heavy grain of salt until the bullets are real. Not bad though.

I am gonna be at a beer festival in WI. I always get pumped for preseason, then watch about a quarter and remember it isn't real football.

Consider that was probably Browns gold. Now consider what our franchise is looking like recently.

Most likely true. Although we are certainly a troubled franchise, our playoff berths are typically deep runs.