kungfoodude

Nah. Especially with the NIL. Get the college money and develop properly.

I mean, there is quite literally almost no category that Bryce is behind Fields in with regards to passing. I am not creating anything new, those are their career averages passing the ball. I really don't care if Fields is great running the ball because he is fuging atrocious passing the ball. He is basically a poor man's The Golden Calf of Bristol/Taysom Hill. He's a gimmick player that should probably be playing special teams primarily. I get that you hate Bryce Young intensely but to just attempt to invent some scenario where Fields is a "more productive" passer is kind of laughable. To that note, Fields has had one career season out of five in which he has averaged more passing yards/GM than Bryce's worst season in that category.

His football IQ is very low. He needs a lot of reps and a good QB school.

Because he is not a Panthers fan. He is a Bryce only fan.

Sellers would be nuts to leave school. He needs a LOT of seasoning. Tons of potential but he need at least a year or two more.

Well, I arguing that from the perspective of IF he has a good season. Which, he has not so far.

I think if you aren't planning on picking up his 5th year option, you move him prior to that date. Otherwise, there isn't much reason to keep him on the roster, IMO.

If you are talking QB rating perhaps but Young has been a considerably more productive passing QB than Fields. If you look at their 17 game career averages it's pretty obvious. Young: 60.5%, 17 TD, 11 INT, 178.6 Passing Yds Fields: 61.5%, 15 TD, 10 INT, 156.0 Passing Yds I don't think people have still yet accepted how insanely bad Justin Fields is. He is genuinely worse as a QB than Bryce. That's pretty terrible considering how much more physically gifted he is than Bryce.

I agree but that offseason deadline makes that difficult.

I think we do have a QB edge but it's a sinking and floating turds argument. Fields is only dangerous because our LB's are the worst in the NFL and our pass rush isn't far behind. If we give him time, he is gonna make us pay with his legs.

Disagree with a couple but very good list.

The hubris in those early quotes is insane in hindsight. It's Matt Rhule level cringeworthy.

If there isn't even incremental progression over the course of this season, much less next season, I am just not sure how you roll with him in year 5. But, $30 mil(est) is not an insignificant amount albeit fairly modest by elite QB price tag standards. The biggest issue with all this, as someone astutely pointed out in the thread previously, is that we have to make that 5th year decision this coming offseason. So if we get the projected season he is on track for(3250 yds passing, 165 yds rushing, 31 total TD's, 22 total TO's). Is that gonna be enough to satisfy everyone he is on the rise? Let's say that we even finish within spitting distance of .500?

No, I mean even that comparison this far in is kind of insulting to LaFell. He was just a better overall player at this point in their careers. The thing thaf is concerning is that he appears to not be struggling with a 1st or 2nd round WR typical issues, he seems to be struggling with an undrafted free agent or practice squad player level issues. How to even become an NFL caliber player and how to raise your play to the level to be on an NFL roster. It's the simplest stuff that he isn't seemingly capable of doing.

We are bottom 2 or 3 in the NFL in TE production. Luckily, they have Justin Fields as their QB. He is one of the few starting QB's in the NFL worse than Bryce. Now if Tyrod gets subbed in, we might be in trouble.

Honestly that's a massive insult to LaFell. LaFell was productive out of the gate and maintained a level of productivity throughout his 9 year career. At this point, I think XL is a lot closer to Mingo than most people want to admit.

TBH, the UNC leadership might be more incompetent than the Panthers at the moment. Bill Belichick is the poor man's Matt Rhule of college coaches. Even Rhule wasn't as delusional as Belichick.

And people talked about Beck as a first rounder??

It's not good.

I don't think anything of Justin Fields as a QB but we will need to handle him. We get little pressure on the QB and get torched by TE's and running QB's.

McCarthy to date, for sure. That's a very early sample size, however. Russell Wilson is a backup. Not sure Wilson wouldn't be better suited to our offense specifically, but at the bare minimum it's basically a wash. Hurts I would generally disagree with. I do think Hurts is likely to be less than stellar in our offense. Justin Fields - Agree. Fields is a significant threat on the ground but he sees the field as badly or worse than Bryce. And that's with significantly more reps. Spencer Rattler - I honestly thought this would be an easier call that it is. TBH, right now Rattler looks a lot better. Really almost across the board. Kyler - Murray is better. Basically across the board. Not significantly better, mind you. Trevor Lawrence is more debatable than it seems. Low completion percentages, tons of TO's.....he really has been quite bad this year in Jax. He is considerably more talented than Bryce but the results have been marginally better. Tua - Tua is a little more dynamic of a player but he is a TO machine. Tend to agree. Caleb Williams. Not sure on this. Williams is still struggling to be consistent but his upper end is WAY higher than Bryce. He shows it fairlu frequently, as well. Probably would rather be working through Caleb's issues than Bryce. Penix - 100%. This guy stinks. Cam Ward. This is a little tough. Again, far higher ceiling on Ward and he shows flashes but it's been a mess there in Tenn. Probably lean towards Bryce here.

He has rarely been aggressive enough to be considered a gunslinger type player. The guy he is describing is Pat Mahomes-esque and I doubt any of us see that in Bryce. When the play is breaking down or he bails on the play, how often are we really seeing him laser it into a tight window? How about scramble long enough to get someone breaking free and then hitting them? I remember that far less, although I am not sitting down to look at all 2.5 years of data, than I am checkdowns, throw aways, off target passes, scrambles, etc.

I think Egbuka is a very polished guy, for sure. TMac has some refinement that needs to happen. His ceiling is probably higher than Egbuka's but for that to matter you have to eventually reach it. I definitely don't have buyers remorse on TMac. Great pick.

He would be ahead of a good chunk of the backup QB's we see struggling at the moment but starter vs. starter it is really hard to get too many guys that you wouldn't rather have the other guy in a one game scenario. I can understand the ample reasons to not want guys like Flacco and Rodgers at their ages but if you just base it on this roster and one game to win....I would rather have both of those guys. Expand that to the rest of the league and it quickly becomes obvious where Bryce is.

In terms of evaluation, sure. But there are plenty of very productive 2nd and 3rd round WR's. XL has gotten a TON of targets. He has had the opportunities. The excuses for him not producing are getting a little thin when he has guys around him doing so.