kungfoodude

This is a very weird game.

Those are not comparable players in any way.

I don't really understand how you got to him being a good player in the NFL this season but I guess that is your prerogative. It would be a very bad sign for the franchise for him to return in anything other than a lowly paid backup player in 2023. Almost every other scenario is extremely bad for us as a team and franchise. But, it would be a very Panthers thing to make that mistake.....again.

If you aren't a viable option to play by your third year in the NFL, the odds are it just isn't going to work out for you. And that's fine for a guy like Will Grier that you stash as a third stringer until you release him. That's basically the way I look at Corral, he is about the same level of project. If he doesn't show progression(and significant) in 2023, it usually is what it is. Keep in mind that we aren't in film study, workouts, practices, etc. I am sure most on the inside can probably tell much more quickly than we can what the issue with some players are. And some just don't get a fair shake for a variety of reasons. I just know that as QB desperate as we are(worst QB room in the NFL for more than two seasons), if he isn't seeing the field in 2023, that is pretty bad.

He has five years of NFL experience and has conclusively shown he isn't a starting caliber NFL QB. It's rare that a bust gets as many opportunities as Sam Darnold, especially in the modern NFL. He isn't going to suddenly become a good player in the NFL. It's unfortunate but that is what you get chasing potential sometimes.

No one is going go trade for him. He is going to get cut. Every team in the league is aware of this so only the dumbest of all teams would even consider trading for him. What is more likely happening is that people are contacting Carr's agent to start a feeling out process for free agency.

Yeah and banking on outliers is how bad teams stay bad. It's how people lose money investing, gambling or just generally make stupid choices in life. You abandon all logic and reason. It's not impossible but it is statistically unbelievably unlikely.

I mean, at the end of the day, winning is what matters most. But, the glaring issue is that we don't have anything close to an effective passing attack. Being a one trick pony offense has very serious long term limitations unless that trick is almost unbeatable or you have an all-time caliber defense(Ravens, Broncos, etc). I look at a guy like Bridgewater and can easily and immediately say he would be a big upgrade in our offense right now. Now, that's a fairly low bar to hit. I think once we get rid of McAdoo and hopefully hire an OC capable of adapting and adjusting(this will be a big Wilks limitation, as well) an offensive gameplan, I think we will see this offense be a lot better with even just a middling quality NFL starter(which Darnold has never been in his career nor will likely ever be). I am not advocating putting Darnold on ice for the last two games, you gotta ride the hot hand and the other options aren't any better. But we do need to realize that this could and may come to a screeching halt. I genuinely hope no one would be surprised by that.

Levis should be further along in his development because of the type of offense he was in. But, as always, that is 50% dependent on the player and 50% dependent on the situation they end up in. Levis is a much better prospect than basically anyone in the 2021 class, which admittedly is a very low bar. I would have no issue taking a late first or second round gamble on him at all. Once we start talking top 10 I am backing away from that table. He doesn't have the 95+% bust potential that Richardson does but he is far from a finished, risk-free product.

Yeah, the problem with that strategy is that historically it rarely works. You might have some good teams but you won't win it all and you will rarely sustain success. Doesn't mean we have to go for broke this offseason to get a franchise QB but if you want to keep yourself in purgatory, consistently banking on late round QB's is a really effective way to do it. What you should do is keep cycling through backup drafted QB's, regardless of the starting QB status. That should happen every 1-3 years. At least that way you take enough cracks to maybe hit a winner and without stressing the talent level on the roster.

There is no clear successful formula here. Stafford was viewed as an aging player that most thought was a loser. Yet the Rams reached the pinnacle in year one. Wilson was viewed as an elite player that cost a fortune and now looks like his career could be over. You could trade up to get Pat Mahomes or you could trade up to get an oft injured Trey Lance. So, the reality is that you just need to be committed to the move and make it. It might work out or it might not. If our FO is committed to trading up to get a QB, do it. If it fails, that sorts itself out because they will be unemployed in as a result. That's the thing about taking that risk. You could get everything or nothing.

Yeah, I mean I hate to break it to you but that is literally not how that works. The Texans just go exactly what they wanted, a clear shot at drafting anyone they want and the draft capital to build around a franchise QB for years to come. To be honest, it might not only be the wildly expensive to trade up but the most expensive trade up in NFL history. What they did was very, very, very smart when they were forced to lose their franchise QB. They blew it all up and now sit on a fuging gold mine of drafts picks. It's up to them to build it up but what they did to get there was very smart.

I watch the games so I know what that is built on. At one time Kyle Allen was the hottest QB in the league. Stats are great, I love them. But stats without eyeballs and a brain attached don't usually work out well. That Tweet is exactly what I just described.

Hooker is probably a 2nd to 4th round pick post injury, unfortunately for him. He might have been a guy that could have cracked the first round. Very unfortunate to see that happen for him.

If Young ends up being the #1 overall target for Houston, I would shudder to think what that would cost. Keep in mind the Texans stood their ground and got a massive haul from the Browns. I don't imagine that becomes easier with what they have now.

He is just trolling but we do actually have people here that believe in this "transformation" of Darnold. That's the absurd part.

We will need two goalies and Pyotr and Freddie are the best two we have. I love Raanta for what he has done but he is very clearly the 3rd best goalie on the squad. You gotta roll with your best two guys, IMO. Unless there is some chemistry issue with him.

Warren Moon?? Stetson Bennett is a lot more Colt McCoy than he is Warren Moon. What a profoundly odd comparison.

That's fair but you are still having this discussion in the post-2023 season, I think we can surmise that he isn't getting the opportunities because he doesn't deserve them. It's very difficult to say that happened because Rhule was such a wild idiot. And because McAdoo's ability to adjust anything he does to make things easier on the QB is a laughable concept. After watching three QB's here under him, it's obvious he literally has very little capability to adjust his offenses to his personnel strengths.

Yeah, we will get a lot more of an idea about Corral IF we get a competent OC and a QB coach capable of developing him well. If those things happen, you should be able to tell after 2023 what his future is here because of how he is being treated as a prospect by the staff and FO. Not how he will turn out but at least we should have obvious indicators on what we think of him. That is next to impossible at the moment because of the Rhule/McAdoo situation.

I think the old chart is just out of date when it comes to trading up for QB's. It doesn't help when you see the Stafford and Wilson trades either. Overall the draft pick value of elite QB's or QB prospects has skyrocketed. I would generally probably just pass on a massive trade up, even if it were for someone like Young. The penalty for missing on that pick is so unbelievably massive. It's at least a 4 year skid right out of the gate and potentially far longer. All while missing out on adding more elite talent with premium position picks.

Panthers Stockholm Syndrome is in full effect. The people that want him back at anything more than a short, minimum contract deal are out of their minds. Next we are gonna see threads about how Ben McAdoo really wasn't a bad OC and we should extend him.

Yeah, TCU is scrappy but Duggan was terrible in that game.

These types of comparisons are why people have wildly unreasonable expectations. 24 is young for an NFL QB, rookie or not. When people objected to a 29 year old Chris Wienke, that was understandable.

It's something we have neglected forever.