kungfoodude

I would love to have him but I don't think I would love the price to get him.

That is really what you hear from scouts about him. Great physical skills. Second best in this class behind Richardson. But.....the tape doesn't match that.

I mean, believe what you want to believe.

I don't know that I would make a crazy trade up for anyone but Young. Regardless, if we have a guy in mind that we really believe is a franchise caliber QB.....do what it takes to get him. If you are wrong, who cares? You are just gonna get fired anyway.

That wasn't his value. Hence why it was such an insane trade offer by the Rams. That was more than what prime Khalil Mack netted when he was traded.

I wish I could believe that but we probably just plain fuged that up. To be clear, I really like Burns but that price was franchise QB level.

Burns peak value was probably the Rams offer. Sincerely hope I am wrong but that was an insane offer.

That's one of those useless stats.

It's not as big of a crowd as the Darnold fanboys. There are just a few Corral fanboys.

And the deck is stacked even more the lower you get drafted. It shouldn't always work like that but in the real world it definitely does. Like anything else, the NFL is far from a completely merit based system. It's a long climb from being a QB 3rd round draft pick to a starter. You gotta have a FO and coaching staff that really believes in you and you really have to dazzle in the offseason. Unfortunately he had neither of those last offseason.

He doesn't have the elite athletic ability that someone like AR does, nor the arm strength. Definitely doesn't have Young's high level intangibles or field vision. He is a pretty good mix of above average abilities physically. His biggest issue is going to be the learning curve to learning an NFL offense. He isn't going to be able to use that RPO/Air Raidish style in the NFL and specifically run the ball as often as he did in college. His best years in college he was rushing the ball 100+ times. He isn't built for that or athletic enough for that kind of usage rate. So he has to really reinvent himself at this level. That's not a small undertaking. If it does succeed, it will take take.

History will tell that story but right now it matches the narrative of being one of the worst in recent memory. Ultimately that is a 5+ year discussion and not a year 1 discussion however.

We will probably never know if Corral was a Rhule pick. We probably will have a little bit of an idea moving forward.

I mean, would it have mattered with the Rhule staff? I would have agreed but it literally didn't matter.

Fair points, for sure. I do think he would get pushed down because there are a few of the middle round QB's that probably jump him from this class. Obviously, this will always be theoretical no matter where you stand on this issue. Entirely different league, FO's, draft classes, etc. I largely discount college staff analysis because they usually don't have any focus whatsoever on NFL ability. They care if you are winning for them and in the context of college football. You might hear current ACC coaches talk about having to account for someone like Malik Cunningham when he is a player that has a much lower NFL outlook. Same with Stetson Bennett. Boy he looked good at Georgia, right? I bet he was on the lips of every SEC staffer. However he won't be on the lips of almost any NFL scout. That's why I discounted that. The college and NFL people have wholly different goals for the most part.

Aged like a fine milk!

The hindsight on the Rhule situation is fuging nauseating. The red flags look even worse in hindsight. "He was a short order cook, I was a short order cook. He was a Pittsburgh guy, I was a Pittsburgh guy." Meatballs, all the fuging used car salesman BS. This was the equivalent of meeting a guy at a random bar that you had great drunk talk with and then offering him a job when you were in a brown out.

This is really the ideal scenario. Especially if we can get a good top 10 rookie QB. The veteran removes a LITTLE bit of pressure on the rookie and Corral has zero pressure at all.

Purdy probably would have been a fuging disaster here. He had none of the on field talent nor the coaching talent around him.

It's fine to believe your evaluation but to just keep piling up ridiculous "proof" to support the reactionary position is what gets annoying quickly. If people think X prospect sucks/is great, fine. But at least leave the possibility that you might be wrong. That's where people lose me on players that are three years or less in the league. Look at Brown. Myself and others had started to lose all faith that he was going to pan out but he had a stellar year and might be on his way to being an anchor for our DL for a long time.

These people just love punishment. I am convinced of that. But this isn't new. Remember all the hot and bothered Will Grier threads. I assume this is always the same people doing this over and over but I don't care enough to sort through it all to find out.

That's the difference between TV bobbleheads/internet draftniks and actual NFL front offices/scouts. That's why you see guys slide every year that most mock drafters have rated highly or ESPN dildoes hype to the nth degree. That is a small and not very NFL relevant portion of the information that fans can access. Also, it would be very foolish to be claiming Howell as an NFL success with literally next to no NFL experience at all. That's a very, very, VERY TBD situation, especially considering the mess in DC. Similarly, although I have serious doubts about Corral's ability to be much more than a 2nd or 3rd string QB, his story isn't even close to being written. He really is basically a rookie this season. Not in the idiot-Darnold fanboy sense, but in reality. He was out all year on IR and he had a single training camp with a bunch of completely unqualified or below average coaches around him. He is still raw clay. But.....that said....unlike the Corral acolytes, I am not banking the 2023 season on a lump of clay. If he develops, it will be on a timeline that is very unlikely to include significant playing time in 2023. And, that's the way it should be for someone with his steep learning curve. That's what might give him an outside chance to make something of himself in the NFL.

You are basically making my argument back to me.

This is the very classic example of taking college football and trying to make it the NFL. TBH, no one cares what an SEC West staff member thinks about Matt Corral. He was already evaluated by the entirety of the NFL and passed on by most of the league 2+ times in the draft. That doesn’t mean he will fail but it does mean is a very, very, VERY clearly viewed has having a lower value than Young/Stroud. TBD on Levis/AR but I would imagine they also get drafted(in 2023) above Corral's position in the 2022 draft. I get that we want to see our picks do well, I get that. But we can't turn off all logic and reason when we look at these players.

I think largely weak because it seems pretty top heavy. After Young/Stroud there is a pretty big gap to AR/Levis and then another drop off to the rest of the group. Plus, look at the Senior Bowl group, they were atrocious.