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Yeah these are not even remotely comparable. A better comparison would be the NHL or NBA and they don't have anything like this.

You saying @TheSpecialJuan is SkyNet???

It's literally his calling card. I don't even understand why the mods get mad at him sometimes. His shtick is so clearly defined at this point.

Then why did you dispute the "luxury" quote if it isn't about money? What about that post didn't make the money aspect extremely clear? Are you having a completely different argument with someone else?

That would be fine but he played under two head coaches here with similar results. This stat pretty much holds up for most elite NFL RB's, BTW. This isn't new information. There are ample articles about spending money on RB's and the overall results. Some going back more than a decade. This story has already been written before CMC ever stepped on an NFL field as a player. It's not a critical position in the modern NFL. It's definitely not a position that most can afford to spend top 5 money on. Hence why the "luxury" post was just plain correct.

Well the difference between him playing and not playing had pretty limited impact on W/L during his entire Panthers career. I have posted that stat multiple times. That's kind of the point about elite RB's, though. They rarely have a remarkable W/L impact on any modern NFL franchise. Denying that is kind of silly.

Eh....he definitely reacted immediately like he was pretty upset. Not sure if you remember that in the immediate aftermath of the trade. I'd say that and the recent comment make it pretty obvious he wasn't happy about it. It is what it is.

He is obviously butthurt, which he has a right to be. We will see how it goes in the long term. Steve Smith and DeAngelo Williams also left here with some pretty hard feelings. We eventually got SS back in the fold but not Williams. Ball is in CMC's court.

I think more of it had to do with the team being built around a guy that ended up being broken beyond repair(Cam). CMC had very little to do with Panthers success. Just look at his W-L record in games played versus games not played. The success of the franchise was always going to revolve around Cam(or any of the successive QB's) and once he was done, so were we.

Yeah but that's for regular people. Rich(especially rich and young) people don't care as much about that kind of stuff. SF has far greater access to badass stuff than CLT. And NC doesn't have access to nearly the kind of attractions for young people that CA does. Doesn't mean I would personally choose SF over CLT but I understand. Plus he is already a WC guy.

He is 100% correct about it being a luxury. It didn't help SF win when they were down all their QB's because the league doesn't work like that. Same thing with Henry, Barkley, etc, etc, etc. Without the rest of the pieces around the elite RB, it doesn’t accomplish anything. Elite RB's are purely a luxury, not a necessity.

Yeah, if Young becomes a top 10 QB in the league then eventually CMC will be a footnote in Panthers history. It's not really related to him but we only had one winning season in his entire Panthers career. Most of us are going to be very eager to move on from those memories.

But we had a braintrust that was also stuck in the past. It obviously made sense to them. Oh well, that era is over. Nothing we can do about it now but move on. I will say that as much as I respect CMC as an amazing player, I don't wish him a bunch of success as a 49er. He kind of said "fug us" and so I feel similarly back. He isn't quite at DeAngelo levels but I will be curious to see if he keeps throwing some shade at us and if the fans turn on him as quickly as they did Williams.

Yeah, hence why a select few of us were so down on the contract extension. You just don't pay RB's that kind of money, not even ones with his ability. This isn't the 90's NFL.

Euro and AFL.

Last time I checked they didn't have a QB either, so.....GL with that CMC.

I don't want to see Canes in 4. Not down for that at all. That amount of blood rushing to my groin might kill me.

What years did he play in the XFL, again? Last time I checked he was already a Super Bowl champion before the original XFL actually existed.

Yep. Glad to have him aboard but it's very similar to the pining after late round picks and UDFA's that happens every offseason. The odds are already stacked against you out of the gate.

I am sure we will get at least a few. You know that there are always a few true believers.

Honestly, in a 17 game schedule, not a ton. That could be the difference between a couple of key injuries or just bad luck. I would be fine with anything in that range depending on the circumstances and how we look/play.

I think that's pretty spot on. I would say 7-10 wins are about the band I would expect to see us be. Anything less or more would be a surprised. It is a lot of turnover on the roster and obviously with the staff. I would say we probably shouldn't be expecting Superb Owl's in Year One.

TBH, I don't see much from Hubbard that makes me think he is anything more than a 3rd string or PS level player. Brady C looks like he could end up being a very good backup utility OL, so that is nice. Horn is clearly an elite talent but availability is an ability. I really hope he can stay healthy for long periods of time. Even before those Rhule drafts, Hurney was stinking it up in his return. It's just so incredibly tough to build a good franchise when you whiff that much in multiple drafts. Literally everything you do personnel wise becomes harder and more expensive.

I mean, would you rather he suck hard and have to put up with a season or two of him being shitty? IDC where he played once he retires and starts calling games unless he is a homer queef that simps for his old team on broadcasts. But, that would also fall under him just generally sucking.