kungfoodude

Different mindset entirely. Gunslingers have the penultimate faith that they can make every throw, no matter the window nor the situation. Bryce is definitively not that guy. If you increased his throws to 40-50/game(which he has had those games) its far more likely to just result in a bunch of 5-10 yard throws. Not testing coverages deep where you can get into more trouble.

It's also during the season so anyone in the discussion of being substantially better than Young is not gonna be on the table without a serious asking price, most likely. If the trade deadline lasted until the end of the season, we might at least get to take advantage of some active sellers. That COULD happen by Nov. 4th still.

I don't think it's a real stretch what I am saying. We can certainly, and rightfully so, question the actual evaluation abilities of those in the organization but they are literally around these guys in drills, practices, etc, etc for months and months every year. It shouldn't be a surprise that they have a significantly higher idea of said players abilities just because of that level of access.

I really don't think Tepper will can him even if we literally lose all the remaining games. Now, going into next year that seat might be pretty fuging toasty. I think he is pretty safe to be here opening day 2026.

Yeah but that's also a fan centric mindset. The team has a better idea of what they have because they literally watch them in practices every single week. Not a 1 to 1 scenario, obviously, but THEY are much more aware of the overall capabilities than we are. I generally disagree with the notion that a Winston or Howell type really gives a much better platform to evaluate anything. Plus, if you see the training wheels they are putting on Bryce, how big do you think those training wheels are gonna be for a brand new QB with literally no time in the offense? If anything, that's likely a more closed playbook than we have at the moment.

I don't think there is just some secret level to this playbook that isn't getting called. I am pretty sure we are pretty much seeing Canales offense.

Well DJ Moore had a parade of mediocre to bad QB's after Cam's arm died. Did his budding career suddenly go to poo? I think you are fairly dramatically overrating the idea that development for a WR hinges on "certain types of throws." That's really a very minimal thing versus the bigger issue(IMO) of just having resources that are largely being squandered to the detriment of your overall offense. Bryce's lack of success pushing the ball deep absolutely creates that. But those ills aren't going to be solved by just bringing in a guy that consistently puts you in huge holes with crazy TO's. Getting a functionally BETTER QB will solve almost all the issues with the passing game. Unfortunately, that's just gonna be a tough ask during the season. That's really an offseason fix and we just didn't choose to do that this past offseason. We are now reaping that.

Bryce is definitely very TO prone but Winston is pretty wild. 1.62 TO's/GM in his NFL career to Bryce's 1.19. I am just saying, it can actually get worse. Winston is that worse. I agree, however, the offseason is the time to deal with this situation.

Well, because he is fuging terrible.

I don't think morale appears to be bad, do you? If that were the case, how have we won four games? Yeah, that's a little different scenario. He was also pissed last year too about not getting enough targets.

I don't think it's a stunting because if they have the abilities, they aren't magically going to lose them due to lack of game opportunities. Were that the case, backup players would be utterly useless as they just sit and watch. XL's lack of development is solely of his own doing. I don't doubt that any WR is going to be happier with more opportunities but I also don't think Winston(or anyone else, for that matter) is suddenly going to transform our entire offense into 40-50 passes a game. I will say it's possible and given the player you are talking about that certainly might have to be an option more often than not but that doesn't really seem to fit Canales style in general.

If you look at the way the modern NFL has trended, it's dramatically away from TO prone gunslingers. There are also gunslingers in this era that are substantially less TO prone(Mahomes, Mayfield, etc). Favre was in the old era. I have said that about Winston his entire career. He is just Brett Favre. Had he been a starter in that era, he would have been a beloved QB. Alas, different era.

Certainly but the TO prone guys also tend to take the wind out of the sails of their teammates in pretty quick fashion. Certainly wouldn't argue they will get many more chances, especially since we would be pretty far behind in most of our matchups. Not gonna argue against Winston's ability either. I don’t think the growth of these guys is likely getting as stunted as you assume. As stated above, the morale issue is likely going to weigh heavier on them than you think.

Yeah but that was an abnormal situation. Flacco wasn't getting the results and wasn't going to be a part of their future. There isn't an equivalent situation that makes us better or makes sense for us. Especially not at a bargain bin price. You want to trade for a guy like Tua? Well....good luck with the price AND the contract. There is a dearth of quality starting QB's. That also means there aren't a bunch of them sitting on the bench elsewhere.

Chucking 25+ INT's isn't as conducive to growth as you think.

Better at piling up yards but also far better at piling up TO's. That's why those guys are currently 3rd string QB's. It looks great when it's working and it looks really bad when it isn't.

It means do it again. Like....several times a season, preferably. You know, like a first round draft pick is supposed to? As far as that as being some unachievable metric, at least that many receptions was accomplished in 6 games by other first round rookie WR's and at least that many yards was accomplished in 13 games by other first round rookies last season. And that was just last year, I can assure you that has happened several times with those same players this year already. So acting like this is some startlingly rare production is more than a bit ridiculous.

You guys are aware that Dalton got injured last season and that is why Bryce returned, right? He kept the job because that was when Bryce started getting hot(well, by his standards anyway) and that time DC decided to ride the hot hand.

More evidence, basically. This is a more capable offense than last year, IMO.

Yeah, I mean if the offense looks substantially more logical with Dalton, I think the obvious answer suddenly becomes undeniable. Bryce is the problem. If Dalton struggles for obviously Dalton related reasons, you have to pivot. Or maybe it also shows Bryce isn't THE biggest problem, as well. I am glad we get to see some moving parts to figure some of this all out.

Nah. That braintrust would already have signed him to a top 5 contract. No thanks. Well technically he lost his job to a car accident.

Eh....sounds like longer than next week. High ankle sprain.

That was so infuriating. Ride the hot hand, you fugwit.

Bryce already has issues moving away from pressure. I would say rushing him back is a really bad idea.

High ankle sprain is typically weeks.