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My concern with Howell is the same as turned out to be true with Jameis, there is no such thing as improvement. He literally doesn't even understand the concept. Same as Jameis(or Favre).

Do you have data on the sacks in the redzone? I know that Bryce's sack% has gone down each year(10.53, 7.02, 4.68). Dalton to compare: 4.92, 4.19, 7.14

And actually control the ball. The path to success seems fairly clear. Heavy dose of Rico early and often. If that is cooking, pass action passing off of that.

Look, I am not a Bryce hater but we gotta be realistic at this point. He ain't it.

Miss Bryce sorely is possibly the most hilarious statement I have read on the Huddle in quite some time.

He did only throw 1 pass 20+ in that game. I think he is still struggling to adjust to the NFL. At Alabama he was able to extend plays and play backyard football. That's not only not the style of offense we have been running but his physical skills don't lend themselves to that style of play at this level. So, the amount of issues he actually has to clean up are WAAAAAY more than I anticipated as a guy that had Bryce #1 on my board in that draft class. I am just not seeing a reasonable path for him to clean it all up and develop in a reasonable timeframe

Jones is a less athletic and less gunslinger version of Purdy, as well. What he(Jones) does well doesn't translate into every offense.

They both are average to below average QB's, most likely. That offense is just a well oiled machine with a lot of nice toys

Okay. I see what you mean. I honestly am just not as fixated on that deep pass element because I do genuinely believe that has largely been a product of the offense slightly more than Bryce himself. I looked at 20+ yd passes(NFNGS) based on Bryce vs. Dalton. Bryce was actually throwing deep more often, which did surprise me. Not a remarkable amount. I tend to think the lack of deep targets is more the fault of the offense. I think the lack of general success on deep targets, is Bryce.

His INT% is about career average(1.9, 2.3, 2.2). It's his TD% that is at a career best(2.1, 3.9, 4.9).

Transitive property of football??? Wat

This is someone ignoring Kyle Shanahan's impact on QB's. Before and after, for that matter.

That metric would be one of the better indicators of what you are describing. I would disagree what we don't need percentage. Hucking the ball deep for low percentage is just basically Anthony Richardson. You see how much they have improved since he was replaced. Again, I think most are really hyper focusing on a relatively small aspect of Bryce's flaws. His poor mechanics and his lack of being able to make quick reads lead to the overwhelmingly majority of his lack of success/consistency. His arm strength and targets downfield are much smaller aggravating factors to that lack of success.

Willis is really a 3rd string QB at the moment. He is in a place that suits him, behind a young, potentially franchise QB with no pressure on his development timeline. That is exactly not the case here. Personally, I highly doubt he will ever develop more than being a middling backup but we will see.

If it isn't a heavy dose of Rico early and often, you will have a pretty good idea of the outcome, I suspect. Huddle wants Rico heavy running and play action passing. Watch almost none of that actually happen on Sunday.

Yet still has been better than Bryce. Welcome to the Panthers.

Compare that to what happened when Lamar was out and came back.

I have been consistent on that front. High TO QB's have not been as successful in the modern NFL has previous NFL eras. Hence why I don't want to see Winston or Howell here and didn't like Darnold at all. Darnold may have evolved, still TBD IMO but those other two guys have always been pure gunslingers. They have no real value as a starter in the NFL if the goal is winning games.

Replacement Level

There is no way this is a real high ankle sprain if this is a "one week injury."

Mac Jones IAY/PA(Intended Air Yards/Pass Attempt) is 7.5 Bryce Young's is 7.7. So if you want a QB that regularly targets deep passes, Mac Jones is not your guy. For reference(these stats only exist from 2018 onward) these are some notable other passers in the NFL: Josh Allen: 8.8 Lamar Jackson: 8.7 Patrick Mahomes: 7.6 Jared Goff: 7.0 CJ Stroud: 8.4 Jayden Daniels: 7.5 Drake Maye: 7.3 Anthony Richardson: 11.2 Sam Howell: 7.5 Jameis Winston: 10.1

This also fits the modern context of "doing your own research." Step 1: Type in my opinion into search engine/social media/YouTube Step 2: Wait for algorithms to serve up what I want to hear/read to validate my opinion. Step 3: Ignore all other data.

I am not prepared to say that. Darnold still has a ton to prove.

Cam has to be the bigger man there. He had a lot more to lose that whatever goober is in that costume.

It's asking the laziest questions to one of the dumber people you know, essentially. With just as little context.