kungfoodude

Yeah, I think if this is a thing, it's a DC thing. Rhule amped up the intensity to a comical, absurd and unprofessional level.

He was very, very, VERY lucky his foot didn't plant in that turf.

I think calling this out in the preseason is ridiculous. DC himself exercises limited effort in the preseason, so it's a reflection of that, if anything. As for the team lacking effort, we aren't gonna know that until the bullets are live. If that rears it's head early in the season or we hear comments from the players/coaches calling it out early in the season, I would say the culture is likely already broken out of the gate. If it crops up after weeks and weeks of losing, I am not terribly worried about it. It's just a reflection of the situation. There is plenty of time for "sky is falling" takes. Pleeenty of time.

The Perkins vs. Plummer thing is a big non-story, IMO. Neither of these guys is worth keeping a roster spot for. They are PS players, so it's not a battle that truly matters. If that does happen during the season, things are already off the rails enough that none of this is going to matter at all.

He was extremely smart and chose the best possible spot to become a new HC. Not enough of them do that.

Well, to be fair, there are also plenty of times you see some "business decisions" and/or fairly low intensity play on bad franchises. It is obviously very draining on players to go out there and lose week in and week out. Good example being the 2010 Panthers(or was it 2001?) where several of our longer tenured players said they saw the FO basically set them up to fail prior to the season starting. I am sure that creates a different atmosphere. The NFL is still a business, after all.

There are ample examples of former NFL players coaches talking about guys that didn't put in the work and ended up out of the league in short order. My God, remember JaMarcus Russell as the most famous example?

They also aren't hurting for money, nor is he himself. Oh, no doubt. They have a hole to climb out of long term, but losing for multiple years on end isn't likely to make any owner happy.

Ikey is a lifelong Panthers fan and talked like he WANTS to be here long term. I am hoping some of that creeps into the negotiations, although I would fully understand if it didn't. We also have a "punt" option with Ikey using the franchise tag. Not ideal but better than shooting for the moon on another Horn deal before he really earned it.

No reason to push that. Low grade strains can quickly turn more serious without proper rest. Reps would be limited to none in Game 3 anyway.

I don't think the discussions they had with their new coach included "fug it, tank for Arch for however long is necessary" plans. I also think people are jumping to assumptions on where he will end up AND when he will leave. Don't be shocked to see him play his entire college career out or stay in school to duck a bad franchise(including the Saints, BTW).

Yeah and there is no real benefit to Dalton starting/playing. He is a long tenured veteran. Those reps have little value.

I mean, I am not prepared to say Perkins is better. He is a similar caliber of QB, in that he isn't really an NFL caliber QB.

I think people vastly underrate his competence when it comes to being a backup. I also think people WAAAAAAAAY overrate the role of a backup QB.

I don't disagree but they are far more likely to stick with the devil they know as most teams do for those 3rd/PS spots. Plummer is good enough to run some scout team BS.

People always love a good underdog story and since we had Jake Delhomme, the fans remember a rags to riches QB success, despite the fact that those are extremely rare. This guy is here to eat up snaps in a meaningless game due to injuries. The odds of him making this roster are quite small, as he has literally missed the entire offseason here. Even a PS spot is a little far fetched.

I am failing to understand why we have a portion of the people in this thread so gung ho about this trade. Can you please logically explain why we should trade the asking price(or anywhere near, for that matter) and what benefit you hope to accomplish? The downsides seem to be clear(as have been stated by so many). Contract Price: Likely north of $30 mil AAV and 3+ years. Age: Will be 31 by the end of the season Draft Capital: With a roster bereft of proven talent, why give away a 4-5 year cheap and possibly high end future player? Player Compensation: What young defensive player do you plan on giving up? Horn and Brown are not a 1:1 trade plus the cap ramifications would be bad. What other young defensive players even have real trade value? Overall Net Benefit: This team is lacking in talent at a franchise historic level. Wins and playoff contention do not seem to be relatively close. So what is the benefit of adding an aging, expensive, elite pass rusher to a team in which so much more is needed to be a true competitor? When do you expect that to translate to winning seasons? Really, someone from the pro-trade camp, just give me a logical case as to why this would be a sound idea.

TBH, I am not completely convinced they actually want to trade him. It's either that or they are gonna overplay their hand and it isn't going to work. You gotta consider that if people REALLY want him, he is close to being a free agent so that you just have to shell out $$$ versus money, a 1st and a player.

When you are a cellar dweller, you don't attract motivated win first guys because.....we don't win. They also can see our roster and the utter lack of talent too. The truth is, you have to start getting people(players) to believe in the organization before you can consistently draw in those type of guys. It's also hampered by the fact that coaches and GM's have super short shelf lives. So the architects are a rotating door. These are the hallmarks of dumpster fire organizations. They all share these things in common.

Not a decent price. One or the other, certainly not both.

I don't claim to know Manning's potential, other than being force fed that he is a generational talent that couldn't beat out a 5th round draft pick. I know that I have no intention of jumping on a "tank for *insert hype QB*" bandwagon in the near future.

It's not just him, we have Ikey coming up on potentially a big contract too. We already hitched ourselves financially to one player with massive availability issues as it is. So do we want to be the team that has a 30+ year old $35+ mil AAV pass rusher with potentially a $20+ mil AAV LT and maybe $45+ mil AAV QB, as well?? Until we get some of those things figured out, now is not the "throwing caution to the wind" portion of building. That's putting a roof on after you just poured the foundation.

I see a lot of Scott Fitterer acolytes popping their heads up for this non-story. We ArE oNlY oNe PlAyEr AwAy!!!! Meanwhile, trading away draft capital and making roster decisions that make us worse. Hendrickson makes very little sense at the price he wants and at the price the Bungles claim to want. That's a speed run to being yet another bad roster for a few offseasons.

Yeah, it's hard to say on the Shaq thing. I do think the Jewell situation also added PT that might go to a more capable vet. But, that's sort of what I generally mean by our draft "strategy." It seems like when we really NEED a player in a position group, we shoot for the moon on a high ceiling, low floor guy all to often. Then when they don't develop properly, it's a real problem. We have had a bad habit during the Tepper era of not drafting football players but just athletic traits.

Watch the play live, it would be possible to miss that scrambling away from pressure. A screenshot makes it seem much easier than it actually was, I am sure. I certainly hope he saw it because it's a Bryce 1.0 throw, if not.