kungfoodude

If we just see evidence of competent coaching and competent offseason moves, that's all I need to see. The roster is still the worst in the NFL, so I just need to see that might potentially change at some point. Seeing a bunch more flubbed FA signings and draft picks.....whelp.....

You do understand you are saying it's possible for a player to develop to Panthers fans, right? You know how fuging rare that is here?

I will say as bad as Bryce looked, AR15 looks like he has about 3-4 more years in the NFL. The gulf between Stroud and everyone else appears massive. In a re-draft Bryce and Richardson probably slide to day 3.

Seems like the new coach is all in on Sanders. Financially, I understand but from a football perspective oh wee wayne. It will be interesting to see that group shake out. Methinks they are all on board the Brooks 2025 train.

Yeah and with most "should" statements over the past few years, they typically become "didn't" in the postscript. My expectation is that we will be a 3-5 win team and that will we come to yet another sobering realization about our FO/ownership team. It would be nice to be wrong but I just don't see it.

I think the full season is fine. The rest of the team is pretty bad, so it isn't like him playing poorly would really drag us down that much. After this year, we will be in a position to pivot if it doesn't work out. I completely expect that we will not pivot until at least the 2025 season or offseason. My logic behind this is that with almost every single move(FO changes, coaching changes, personnel decisions) during the Tepper era we are always too little and too late. This speaks to the dysfunctional atmosphere that is pervasive across the entire organization. This is classically an element of any professional franchise with incompetent ownership.

There is literally nothing to watch there. That's one of the most one sided matchups imaginable.

I swear, our WR drafting history in the last 25 years has to be the least impressive in the NFL.

I don't really give a fug if he looks amazing in practice. Let's see it on the field when it matters. It's moderately interesting because there are no real sports going on but I am taking 100% of our training camp with a bushel of salt.

It all means very little. If it did, Ian Thomas would be getting his gold jacket mailed to him, not Peppers.

Well you gotta take care of the 38 left.

IMO, he is one of the weakest links.

I know the stats but I also watch him play. He's very much a product of the best collection of offensive talent in the NFL.

I walk outside for several hours in this basically every day it isn't raining.

It doesn't really matter where I live. I spend 90+% of my time traveling for work anyway.

He's Alex Smith-ish but he was really just a good NFL QB. Smith was never anywhere near elite, very similar to Purdy. Now, as down on Purdy as I am, he has played like a first or 2nd round pick, so he is much better than everyone thought. He is also far worse than most currently think.

I think you mean "debuild" at this point.

Exactly. I get that you want to churn that part of the roster because it helps you continue to try and develop talent and improve depth. That's understandable. However, you might want to improve your two deep first because it looks ROUGH.

fug winter. Give me 100 all day long over teens and lower with snow. I travel all over the country and I fuging hate being in the snowbelt the entire time I am there.

Yeah. I just don't want to keep seeing us churn up the top of the roster so that it becomes the bottom. I'll believe it when I see it actually start to work.

The "bottom of the roster churn" comment was what Fitterer used to say.

IDK about completely but definitely a large portion of it is in his hands. Not much different than any other team in the modern NFL era. But, sadly, there are a lot of elements of our team that could fail and torpedo us outside Bryce. It's a very, very bad roster overall. In the less likely scenario of us being bad but Bryce playing well, at least we would have hope for the future.

I am okay getting a guy like Purdy at a mid-range contract. Just understand he isn't likely to look like SF Purdy, as we have very few players on our entire offense that would be in the SF two deep.

And that's great but do you want a $55-60 mil Brock Purdy? I sure has hell don't. IMO, he's a slightly above average NFL QB with the best assortment of offensive weapons in the NFL. I get the Shanahan argument too but no one remembers the "almosts" they remember the wins. More to the point, in their losses, Purdy and Shanahan are two of the biggest reasons why they end up not being able to put it all together. If we were in the same spot as they were, I wouldn't be arguing for nuking everything. However, we aren't one of the most iconic franchises in NFL history. The standard there is different.

Shanahan and Purdy will be on the hot seat this season. Don't be surprised if you see both in new spots at the start of the 2025 season.