kungfoodude

I think that would be a massive overdraft. Like the player but to be a top 10 safety you really need to be a stud.

Oh I am well aware. It's going to have to be an outlier team that really wants a player. But, because of the wide variance in the evaluations of some of the higher value positions, I do think it is possible to see some offers. Remember, we aren't the only dumb NFL team.

The blue chip group in this draft is more like 3-5 players. Trading down below 15 is perfectly acceptable to me to add 2nd and 3rd round picks this year. The perception is the blue chip poop is small but the solid starter and contributor pool is very, very deep in several positions. If you get 3-5 top 90 picks, especially on a dumpster fire roster like ours, we should EXPECT 100% of them to be in the two deep and at LEAST 2-3 starters, as well. That is why I am okay trading down even into the 20's if the price makes sense.

Brooks was a bad pick because you overdrafted a RB in a weak class. This seems to be a fundamental Panthers FO flaw. We see a strong class of X position and then immediately run the other way. It's infuriating.

Hence why I hope the Saints take him. He is likely a 2nd string QB at his best.

That is my dream scenario, as well.

It's about time they finally had to pay that bill. It's been years of kicking the can.

Don't get me wrong, positional value and fit are a big deal. This is why I am dead set on trading down. Better value, less risk all things considered.

This is something that people aren't considering for several positions, offensively and defensively. It's not just about the player, it's about the fit.

Yeah, ultimately we need to avoid a bust and basically a role/rotational player at 8. Get someone who is going to contribute from day one and make a difference.

fug that. I hope they panic draft Jaxon Dart.

Yep. I agree. However, the Carr situation could make someone panic trade above us.

I think he does have a vision that is more logical than the previous couple of GM's(low bar, however). I do think he needs a TON of help with college evalutions. I don’t think he has any fuging clue what he is doing in that realm.

It's the reason I want so desperately to get out of the top 10. This draft is made to make top picks look foolish.

Now we just need for it to....succeed eventually.

I mean, I hope they don't rein it in and the collapse comes. It will be far healthier in the long term than dragging it out for the inevitable collapse.

TBD. Colleges have no unified front at all. It isn't like the NFL where you can band the owners together and come to a silent agreement on a player. College football is almost the most naked version of a free market system. It's fully the wild west. Good. Let the collective greed cause the needed collapse.

That's what happens when you don't come close to that ceiling. You are an overrated, limited player or, much worse, a bust. This class is loaded with talent and loaded with flawed prospects. It's gonna be more of a gamble than normal.

I agree. If you at least have a baseline as a good or great run defender, then you can at least be a functional rotational defender. But, some teams would argue the opposite in that their one trick pony passer rusher serve the inverse purpose. But, a lot of these reasons are why I want to trade down and take some of the heat off of that "top 10 pick" luster. Also want to add more top 90/100 draft capital, obviously. Then maybe we get into the range where some of the actual higher end SKILL level pass rushers like Green or Ezeiruaku are. IMO, those are guys with way, way, WAY higher floors than a lot of the other prospects that are linked to us.

I don't think he has a higher ceiling than Burns at all. It's just that Burns very obviously never reached his ceiling(nor likely ever will). Truthfully, Burns was a considerably better prospect than every DE/EDGE in this draft, to say nothing of an OLB guy like Walker. I do think people forget how amazing Burns was on tape coming from FSU. But, in a tale as old as the NFL itself, there are ample players that have elite tier physical ability that can never fully realize that same elite potential. See Shemar Stewart for a likely strong candidate in this draft to fall victim to this same scenario.

And he is not even close to the talent Burns was.

Try to find anyone who wants Sanders to trade up.

He makes very, very, VERY good points about Walker. We seem to have not been able to utilize other "tweener" type players under Evero. Do we want to invest in another at 8?

He has no real allegiance to Evero and if things don't turn around quickly enough for Tepper, I could see that move being made.

I am not sure if it was or wasn't his decision to bring him back, but I am willing to bet that he fires him next offseason.