kungfoodude

Yeah, I think people are missing on that part when they are saying "no big deal." Remember how often Donte Jackson got called out for this? Well....he has a lower missed tackle percentage over the past two seasons than Jaycee Horn does. Make no mistake, this is not good.

It's like poker, you can misplay a hand and win and you can play a hand perfectly and lose. Over the course of an entire tournament, the players who play better tend to do better. So, sometimes Bryce doesn't deserve all the credit for a win just like he sometimes doesn't deserve all the blame for a loss. Now what he DOES deserve a lot of blame for is his career 13-28 record. Turns out, he's very bad!

One of those situations can potentially be recovered from but your C allowing a guy free up the middle is the worst case scenario for an OL pass protection. There is a reason this gets discussed very frequently.

He's an NFL starting QB. Of course he gets a lot of blame. The NFL has bent over backwards over the past 20+ years to make it as QB friendly a league as possible so their star QB's can succeed. Over the course of Bryce Young's career he has largely been in the bottom 5 QB's in each respective season he has played. Cumulatively, he is arguably the worst QB during that stretch by winning percentage and statistics. So, yeah, he is going to get a lot of blame. The pieces around him keep getting better but he makes extremely marginal improvements, at best. That's really bad in an unbelievably QB friendly environment.

Rozebum, Scott and Wallace expected but Horn has quietly become a somewhat of a defensive liability. He had been in our top 4 in Missed Tackles for two straight seasons now. He has had more missed tackles this season than in his first three years in the NFL(22 Games Started).

Stepping into the pocket on the two screenshots you have of the Saints is gonna get Shough's head knocked off. Notice the C absolutely getting mauled right in front of Shough. Ikey is losing, but that guy already lost.

IMO, getting rid of Bryce will just reveal how bad Canales is. I would prefer getting rid of Canales so we can also get rid of Bryce. I view them as intrinsically linked at this point.

For Canales, what is the honest argument to keep him?

They are both horrible.

It's not as bad as the Trey Smith thing but it's not great.

Remember when people were saying, "So glad we got Rozebum and Wallace back"......as I said.....doesn't matter. Possibly makes us worse.

I don't agree with the "earned the right to stay" part. I think DC is a bottom 5 head coach.

I mean, if we assume the basic same track of improvement it's probably going to take several years for him to climb into the top 15 at his position. And that's assuming the same rate of improvement.

If they lose the last three I will have hilariously nailed my 4-7 win preseason prediction in rather infuriating fashion.

I mean that dude is a nothing factor. Canales will never give up playcaling, IMO. Another on the laundry list of reasons to fire him. He is a bottom 10% tier offensive playcaller. If he wasn't interested in getting an actual offensive playcaller in here(spoiler alert, he won't be) all the more reason to move on.

We can all agree there is plenty of blame to go around for that BS loss(two losses, for that matter) but you can't win with a QB that basically only significantly factors into the game 2-4 times on average. I mean....this all has to end. We can't keep up this charade of "just wait it out!" He ain't gonna be fuging Baker Mayfield(what a joke). He ain't gonna be Geno Smith(who has 60% of a career to wait??). He ain't even gonna be Mr. Seeing Ghosts himself. He will be lucky to be Chad Pennington. It. Is. Over. The best these folks can do is just accept it.

I am down with that but his price tag is going to possibly be problematic for KC. Minshew is on a league minimum deal and they are projected to be $44 mil over the cap at the beginning of next offseason. A $4.2 mil backup might actually be a little pricey in their situation.

If we are planning on moving on, especially as a trade, it is literally only going to be this offseason. With that 5th year picked up, he will have zero interest or next to zero interest in the 2026 or 2027 trade market.

Yeah, it's crazy the level of wanton ignorance there seems to be about all this. As you said, I'd be amped up to have gotten a backup QB this solid in Day 3 of the draft. But #1 overall???? This just isn't something we are going to be able to bet the future on. And especially when the instances of him showing any shred of elite play are so incredibly fleeting. It's like banking the entire future of the franchise on a couple of laser passes by PJ Walker.

Honestly, I think Canales has almost regressed as a playcaller, if anything.

Yeah, can you imagine if this same curve was applied to Cam Newton??? All the fanbase Cam hate would almost be nonexistent instead of a sizeable contingent.

Yep and the truth is even if we were able to get him on the bottom end of the scale, it would be a salary cap issue for a roster that has more holes than Swiss cheese.

I don't think a great QB will ever be able to overcome a bad owner/ownership. It permeates too much of the organization and creates scenarios where it is very difficult to ever succeed for any length of time. In fairness to that draft, two of the top 3 guys in this "strong" draft were huge busts and Bryce wasn't even the biggest one. Perhaps, ultimately, we just made that trade up in the wrong draft, as well. Compare it to the next draft that has seen so much success and wouldn't have even required any sort of trade ups.

Precisely. I feel line people are giving away the participation trophy equivalent of praise to Bryce in almost all his "good" games. He isn't a top 25 starting QB. No matter how you dice it, that is always going to be a problem. Especially when his "ascent" is at such a glacial pace as to be almost imperceptible. Does anyone really want to wade through another few years of wishing and hoping?

A lot of young QB's struggle with holding on to the ball top long. He has gotten better progressively in that regard. Pocket Time(in Sec): 2.5(2023), 2.3(2024), 2.2(2025) Time to Throw(in Sec): 2.9(2023), 2.79(2024), 2.82(2025) The divedends have been fairly small, is the issue.