kungfoodude

It's not as bad as the Trey Smith thing but it's not great.

Remember when people were saying, "So glad we got Rozebum and Wallace back"......as I said.....doesn't matter. Possibly makes us worse.

I don't agree with the "earned the right to stay" part. I think DC is a bottom 5 head coach.

I mean, if we assume the basic same track of improvement it's probably going to take several years for him to climb into the top 15 at his position. And that's assuming the same rate of improvement.

If they lose the last three I will have hilariously nailed my 4-7 win preseason prediction in rather infuriating fashion.

I mean that dude is a nothing factor. Canales will never give up playcaling, IMO. Another on the laundry list of reasons to fire him. He is a bottom 10% tier offensive playcaller. If he wasn't interested in getting an actual offensive playcaller in here(spoiler alert, he won't be) all the more reason to move on.

We can all agree there is plenty of blame to go around for that BS loss(two losses, for that matter) but you can't win with a QB that basically only significantly factors into the game 2-4 times on average. I mean....this all has to end. We can't keep up this charade of "just wait it out!" He ain't gonna be fuging Baker Mayfield(what a joke). He ain't gonna be Geno Smith(who has 60% of a career to wait??). He ain't even gonna be Mr. Seeing Ghosts himself. He will be lucky to be Chad Pennington. It. Is. Over. The best these folks can do is just accept it.

I am down with that but his price tag is going to possibly be problematic for KC. Minshew is on a league minimum deal and they are projected to be $44 mil over the cap at the beginning of next offseason. A $4.2 mil backup might actually be a little pricey in their situation.

If we are planning on moving on, especially as a trade, it is literally only going to be this offseason. With that 5th year picked up, he will have zero interest or next to zero interest in the 2026 or 2027 trade market.

Yeah, it's crazy the level of wanton ignorance there seems to be about all this. As you said, I'd be amped up to have gotten a backup QB this solid in Day 3 of the draft. But #1 overall???? This just isn't something we are going to be able to bet the future on. And especially when the instances of him showing any shred of elite play are so incredibly fleeting. It's like banking the entire future of the franchise on a couple of laser passes by PJ Walker.

Honestly, I think Canales has almost regressed as a playcaller, if anything.

Yeah, can you imagine if this same curve was applied to Cam Newton??? All the fanbase Cam hate would almost be nonexistent instead of a sizeable contingent.

Yep and the truth is even if we were able to get him on the bottom end of the scale, it would be a salary cap issue for a roster that has more holes than Swiss cheese.

I don't think a great QB will ever be able to overcome a bad owner/ownership. It permeates too much of the organization and creates scenarios where it is very difficult to ever succeed for any length of time. In fairness to that draft, two of the top 3 guys in this "strong" draft were huge busts and Bryce wasn't even the biggest one. Perhaps, ultimately, we just made that trade up in the wrong draft, as well. Compare it to the next draft that has seen so much success and wouldn't have even required any sort of trade ups.

Precisely. I feel line people are giving away the participation trophy equivalent of praise to Bryce in almost all his "good" games. He isn't a top 25 starting QB. No matter how you dice it, that is always going to be a problem. Especially when his "ascent" is at such a glacial pace as to be almost imperceptible. Does anyone really want to wade through another few years of wishing and hoping?

A lot of young QB's struggle with holding on to the ball top long. He has gotten better progressively in that regard. Pocket Time(in Sec): 2.5(2023), 2.3(2024), 2.2(2025) Time to Throw(in Sec): 2.9(2023), 2.79(2024), 2.82(2025) The divedends have been fairly small, is the issue.

Yeah, which I am mostly attributing to the coaching staff(penalties, sloppy, unprepared) but we are almost fully three years into The Bryce Young Experience and we are still largely having to play like he is a 3rd string QB that is barely getting us by. That is a MASSIVE problem for a 3rd year, #1 overall draft pick of which the compensation given up was immense. Truthfully, based on those other factors alone, he currently is arguably the biggest bust for a #1 overall draft pick. He so rarely elevates anyone on the team that it hampers the offense considerably. You just can't be a minor bit player in a critical game during a playoff chase. Bad games even elite players have but almost being a complete non-factor is less excusable. Especially when almost 85% of your career starts are either bad or non-factors.

I am not talking defensive penalties. I am talking penalties. I am just pointing out that for whatever reason we do tend to be more penalized in our wins than our losses this year. It's not like an outlier thing.

The owner is the one aspect we just can't gameplan for. I think he shut down all the snitches in the building so I would imagine his direct meddling is less known than before. I don't for a single minute think he has changed very much, if any. If he keeps meddling or is still actively involved in day to day football operations, we will always be doomed.

I think you have to tweak the rules to be less judgement based. I have no issue with outlawing the "diving" tackles to the upper chest/head area of a QB in a slide but basing it on when the player actually got down versus when they actually launched themselves. The defenders also have to realize that the QB doesn't get credit for the "sliding" yardage so there is little benefit to launching into them. Just form tackle them and they will go down.

I went coach on the basis of a new HC moving on from Bryce and Evero. If you just move on from Bryce, you may end up with a bad HC and bad DC. Which, could also have bad results in any of these changes. I just like the idea of HC because it might net us all three changes.

Let me check the actual sack percentages on that.

Perplexingly, In Panthers Losses: 5.1 Penalties for 43.6 Yards In Panthers Wins: 6.6 Penalties for 51.4 Yards

Yeah but that isn't a realistic scenario to even hope for, unfortunately.

You know, oddly, in games he has been sacked the most this season, he has also been the most productive.