kungfoodude

Hell if I know. If they say he is a lock, I mean, talent evaluation is clearly still a massive problem.

He doesn't. He is likely getting cut.

Different scenarios. We would probably be seeing a lot of Dalton if the injuries weren't an issue. I doubt we would be seeing much of Plummer if Dalton wasn't banged up.

Wallace was beat pretty badly, so that was amazing to even swat that one. Wow.

I will say the Wallace kid is on his way to proving my doubts about him to be incorrect. That would be a great sign for Morgan.

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He may have a point about him expecting a different route than Mingo ran. Likely Plummer being incorrect.

Damn rook. Gotta catch that.

1. Not everyone is pissed he is gone. I am pretty happy to not have almost $20 mil/year tied to a RB. 2. Horn is only going to lose that injury prone label by staying healthy. How good would Jeff Otah have been had his career not been derailed by injuries? To an extent same with Kelvin Benjamin. We have no idea which Horn is going to be. My general thought is let him play out his entire deal and then see what happens. I get that we run the risk of him staying healthy, balling out and then we have to pay top money. But, I am okay paying a top player top money. I am not okay getting caught in a mid-level deal for multiple seasons for a guy that has so trade value and can't stay healthy. Let Jaycee prove he can stay healthy and then pay the many if he can. I don't see any other realistic choice outside of some team handing over a pile of picks and then you just can say no(CMC or Burns scenario, of which we flubbed 50% of).

Bryce Young will lead a scoring drive: Yes Bryce Young will lead a TD drive: Yes Bryce Young will have at least 50 pass yards: Yes The Panthers will have at least 1 passing TD: Yes The starting unit (with QB) will have at least 3 drive attempts: No The starting OL will allow a sack: Yes XL will log 25+ rec yards: No Ja'Tavion Sanders will have more yards than XL: Yes Jack Not The Snake Plummer will have a TD pass: No Jordan Matthews will lead the team in rec yards: No ISM will lead the team in receptions: No Panthers starting D will allow 0 points to the Bills backups: No Panthers starting D will create at least 1 turnover vs the Bills backups: No Panthers starting D will log at least 1 sack vs the Bills backups: No The Panthers D will have at least 1 takeaway: Yes The Panthers D will limit the Bills to under 10 points (9 is their high): No Tie Breaker - Exact number of pass yards for Bryce Young: 84 Tie Breaker #2 - Exact number of receiving yards for XL: 9

And, similar to in LA....Goff was a big reason they lost the NFC championship game. That's going to be Goff's rep until he proves he isn't gonna choke on the big stage.

It goes beyond the QB, as well. He has to prove that he can put together anything resembling a competent offseason. So far, we don't know if that has happened or not. I remember the early Fitt years and the "in on every deal" BS. I also saw how that ended up working out. Color me EXTREMELY skeptical of Dan Morgan the GM until he shows me something worth trusting.

Most of their scrubs from then would be in our current two deep, if not a healthy chunk starting. Do yourself a favor and look at the 2021 Lions. Literally almost every single starter on offense there would be the starter here immediately. At least a few of the defenders would be too. That's what I am saying. We aren't there yet. We have some more successful offseasons ahead of us to be where they were in 2021. Believe me, I fuging wish that was the shape we were in.

Well I mean, who would trust someone like Proehl to scout NFL WR's? That guy doesn't know anything about that. Gettlemen is the smartest guy in the room, just ask him.

You might want to take a gander at the Lions when Campbell got there. Any of us would kill to have that roster. I would say we are closer to the 2014/2015 Browns. That's more likely the trajectory that we are on in terms of rebuilding. The timeline is about right, IMO.

The one thing I will give credit to Fitterer for is that the Hurney vs. Gettleman arguments are forever retired. Our worst GM in team history is cemented at this point. No argument to be made against him.

I think even so our coaching staff shooting themselves in the foot was the bigger factor. Do I believe this went to script for the NFL? Absolutely.

IF we didn't make a bunch of bad roster decisions in this past offseason/draft it's conceivable it could take as little as 3-4 years to rebuild a top 12 caliber NFL roster. I think a lot of us are not appreciating how unholy bad this roster is, especially when you get past the starters. Additionally, look at the roster and who would even still be here in 3-4 years. It's more holes than core members. This is why any hope of building a lasting and GOOD roster are future hopes. It will take years of good drafting and solid FA moves to build something like that. You all watched the horrifying drafts, epic free agency blunders and terrible trades/wasted resources from trades over the past few years. This is the cost. We aren't magically going to conjure up a good roster from that kind of poo. But we have to know it's actually STARTED first and that remains to be seen. Otherwise we are still floundering around waiting for an actual rebuild to start.

You know, normally I would agree but this roster is so fuging bad I might be inclined to try and build the team first. Of course, that requires a competent FO and we haven't proven that is there yet.

Are you talking about broken Cam or alternate universe healthy Cam? Because the latter means we never are in position to take Fields in the first place, nor would need to. Secondly, IF Fields could be developed(I am not convinced of that) would we be able to develop him? I rather doubt it. No one here developed Cam effectively. Cam was Cam from day one and he learned on the job. The improvements(which he needed) didn't come until far later in his career and seemed to be self initiated rather than franchise initiated.

Yep. The warning signs were there. And even having a HOF QB didn't matter. He was the worst stsrting QB in the NFL that season and played terrible. It was our game to lose and we fuging lost. That's one I will never forgive Ron & Co. for.

IMO, 2015 was more so. The Broncos were so clearly the worst team we had played all postseason. Then Rivera and Co. decided to fug the pooch as hard as possible.

Yeah, that violates a long running rule I have. Never buy a jersey until the player gets their second contract.

Yep. A win in 2003 or 2015 woukd have forgiven a lot but alas, here we are.