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I assume this is the precursor to Brooks being jettisoned in the offseason.

Don't ask AI. That's a worse list than you posted.

I am not trying to get overly excited but the 2025 draft class returns have been far better than I expected.

I am not convinced he is as anti-Bryce as we believe. I realize the benching last year makes it seem possible he has been over Bryce buuuut....he's also the same dude that makes pretty terrible other personnel decisions, as well. Corbett over Mays at C, Sanders over Evans at TE, XL over just about anyone on the roster at WR, etc, etc.

I think our low football IQ owner is more likely to be fooled by Bryce's recent successes than even some of the most ardent Bryce stans here.

This all seems so familiar.....

This is a hilariously bad list.

These numbers are coming from the same source. Likely NFL NGS. PFR uses the same data for Bad Throw and On Target percentages. The only thing those fantasy sites do is actually pay others for the data. I think the only one that does real data for itself is whomever purchased the DVOA website.

There is remaining season left to get a feel for that. I somewhat believe they are going to lean towards keeping him. It's a Tepper Panthers kind of logic.

Brother, I know anti-Bryce is your religion of choice, but selling PJ Walker is better than Bryce is an odd hill to die on. Especially when you start cherry picking stats. His ACTUAL career Carolina completion percentage is 57.5%. That's the unfiltered truth, not some backwards logic about "only the games he started."

Qe need so many upgrades. It's wild.

Yes but you basically said you are going from a quick skim of those charts without doing the same for Bryce and/or Andy. So you are going memory vs. snapshots. That's not going to be a very comprehensive analysis.

I don't think working from memory is going to be very productive or useful. You would need to compare them all, which is far easier to do from the breakdowns of each game. That has tiered charts that give real data. But, even then that wouldn't substitute for a trained eye(s) doing detailed film analysis to attempt to determine if we are modifying the offense dramatically for Bryce.

Well, I did actually do that to get the 20+ yard passes per game. I could break of their tiers of passes and compare those but really that's not any more informative than IAY/PA is. That's the overall average, basically. Again, not a massive difference. Bryce is way down in that statistic this season so far but it remains to be seen if that will rise or not. It did last season towards the latter half of the year.

Even if we do roll with Bryce/Dalton, I think there needs to be a real battle for backup QB in camp, at least. Roster three, if necessary. Sign one, draft one, IDGAF but let's see some potential options, at least.

My larger point being that this IS the Dave Canales offense. From a stastical perspective, the results haven't changed much in terms of deep targets or IAY/PA. Now, a much more thorough film breakdown would be necessary to say if Canales has actually modified his offense significantly for Bryce. I don't personally believe that it has but I haven't slogged through the 40+ All 22 tapes to say with great certainty. It would be an interesting thing to see someone do a breakdown video of that.

Yeah, he is playing like an elite CB. I just wish we used him to shut down opposition weapons a little more frequently.

I am not against adding a guy like Winston/Howell but it would be in a three rostered QB scenario. Maybe take one of those guys and also a rookie QB. That's basically the "darts at a dart board" strategy. Not against it.

The point is that from 2023-Present, Dave Canales was calling offensive plays. He was not doing so prior to that time period.

What would possess someone to discuss this on a podcast/podcast adjacent is beyond me. People have really lost their minds in modern society.

I would have to disagree. PJ Walker didn't accidentally end up with a 54.6% career completion percentage and a 1:2.7 TD to INT ratio by accident. PJ had some of the worst field vision we have ever seen in the history of this franchise.

I will say that Bo Nix has been better than expected but if you watch him play, there is not a gulf between him and Bryce. That's also a fairly pedestrian armed QB. He just has the big advantages of a far better roster and an overwhelmingly better HC. Not trying to take away the credit he deserves for arguably being the best QB in that class so far, just saying he pro has the best situation, as well.

Per NFL NGS(can only gather data on the QB with the most snaps, so there will be a very small variance) for 20+ yard targets per game: Baker(2023): 4 Dalton(2024-2025): 2.3 Young(2024-2025): 3 So there is a modest improvement from Young to Baker. Not sure one more target a game is what everyone is looking for. I didn't compare over success rate(I can do that, if desired). I would imagine that could change the difference quite a bit but, again, that's more on the QB and not so much the offense. I still believe this IS the offense.

I don't really think they will functionally be better than Bryce. Especially in this offense. Baker's IAY/PA were 8.5 in 2023. Bryce is at 8.6 in 2024 and 6.5 in 2025. Dalton is at 6.7 in 2024 and 9.5 in 2025. So those numbers don't seem to indicate on the average that the targets are much deeper. I can take a look at 20+ passes/GM, if you want.

Lions, Chargers, etc. The injury bug is hitting hard. I will say that we seem to be weathering it better than most. Pretty surprising.