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Coker also went from "being in the best shape of his career" to being a slug that doesn't work out. This franchise is about as trustworthy as Russian media.

I mean, it's pretty laughable to talk about Allen/Heinecke in "growth." As for Hooker....lol. I supposed Matt Corral is a "growth" candidate too. Pick someone who can actually play the game. That's Dalton.

I am not sure that would necessarily hold up to a large data sample and some in depth analysis. It's certainly an interesting theory. IMO(anecdotally), the better backups are usually older backups that were above average NFL starters for long periods of time. That and just guys that are always fringe bottom third starter, top third backups. Flacco, Dalton are current examples of the former. I think guys like Tyrod Taylor and Jacoby Brissett are good examples of the latter. The issue with Lance/Richardson/Wilson is that they were ultimately big busts. So you have to bank on them being the type of player that can handle that, battle back and make a decent NFL career. I am not sure I would say that is the majority of those type of players. Winston is just a different thing. He is an old school gunslinger that is pretty inflexible when it comes to playing style. If you don't have an old school offense tailored to a Brett Favre type gunslinger AND have a defense elite enough to win when he is turning the ball over like gangbusters.....it's tough for him to consistently win games. It will be damn fun to watch but the W's are gonna be rare.

I disagree if the discussion is this season. Certainly moving towards the next couple of years, Dalton will decline further and perhaps they will eventually pass him. Allen/Heinicke would be pretty far down the top 32 backup QB list. Heinicke would most likely be outside the top 32, TBH. I certainly hope we don't live to see any actual Hendon Hooker starts. I don't really want to have to be doing the "I fuging told you guys he sucked" thing while actually having to watch him suck and lose games. That's possibly when I am going to opt to watch some other NFL games.

I think you VASTLY overestimate how good Kyle Allen is.

I was there. He sucked the way he has sucked for almost his entire NFL preseason career. Also, Kyle Allen isn't a decent backup. That's Panthers fan fiction. Only our fanbase thinks this type of ignorant poo about Kyle Allen.

Hooker starting over Dalton would solely be due to injury or potentially due to an obvious tank effort down the stretch.

I don't think most actually watch a snap of his 2024 or 2025 preseason games. There is a reason a 3rd round draft pick was jettisoned so quickly for.....Kyle Allen. He is atrocious.

All TV media is basically that now. Idiocracy is becoming more prophetic by the day.

There is ample time during the year to dumpster dive.

You must be one of these "one move away guys."

ESPN has a whole is just hot takes and the dumbest takes possible. That is why it sucks so badly. They intentionally drag everything down to a lightspeed retarded level so that it is unwatchable. No jounalism, no nuance, no in depth analysis....just idiot after idiot blabbering/shouting about some hot button issue that they really have no real strong opinions about until the camera is rolling.

Young is the overwhelming priority. We have ample time on them and it's far easier to pivot at WR than QB. Remember that 2026 is year 4 for Bryce. That is 5th year option decision time and also the prime time to attempt to regain resources if a pivot is made. The odds of gaining any assets in a trade afterwards plumment very rapidly(all this depending on performance, obviously). At the end of that cycle, now we are likely in a $45+ million territory for him to remain. So that decision trumps all others by a mile when it comes to personnel.

Well, rubber up, of course.

I would love to see them. Haven't yet. This is a sinking and floating turds argument. Maybe just generally stay away from poo?

I would question that assertion. He stinks.

Probably some of both. I think we always had some leverage unless behind the scenes he had become quite vocal about wanting to leave. It's not like he was attempting to hold out or anything crazy. It's objectively pretty good value for an aging but still effective veteran in his last year or two of his career.

I really don't think it's a "stunted growth" situation. But really the #1 priority this season is to evaluate Bryce. So if the WR's are trash(not saying they are, hypothetically). I definitely don't want to be in a situation where we need another year to find out if he is "The Guy" or not.

I would say perhaps he did make his feelings known.

It's not a true pick swap because the years are different. They are trading lower third of the round picks for top 10 in the round picks, though. I would say they did win this trade.

The compensation is quite good for the player. The decision to trade seems foolish based on our situation specifically. Oh well. I guess it's ride or die with the young guns. If they end up dying.....not sure how this is gonna work out for the FO/Coaching staff.

Is 4.61 way slower than 4.53? because that was their combine 40 times. People give Evans credit for being far faster than he ever was. Elite speed was never why he was so great.

Probably would have to be a PS guy. OL room is actually kind of full.

I mean, you are sort of speaking out both sides of your mouth with that, right? So, one hopes we aren't treating these roster spots like lottery scratch offs. This is based in things the coaching staff have seen to believe these guys are worthy of the roster and have value to add. Not just "maybe this will work out." That being the case, the staff also believes that Moore adds more value than Renfrow. You can disagree with any assessment you want but it's pretty tough to make the "lottery ticket" argument work for Hunter Renfrow.