kungfoodude

From the fans perspective, yes. I suspect that answer will come sooner than that. The Tepper Panthers are slow to learn from these mistakes, it seems. And it will almost certainly cost more than one person in the organization their job, I suspect.

Not realistic but I understand the sentiment. I would have already been shopping him around the league to gauge interest and see what the returns might be if I were Dan. I think it's going to be a situation that the franchise needs to save face and offloading him is going to be seen as a sign of defeat. Not saying it will end up that way but I can see it happening.

I think by the end of this season we really need to have a good idea. I suppose the picking up of the 5th year option seems relatively inevitable unless he falls off a cliff in terms of performance. I suspect this decision on his future will still be unanswered during his 5th year.

Bridgewater does seem like a good upper end Bryce comp. But....ultimately that IS a career backup player. Not sure if that would have been different had that terrible injury not happened but we dealt with some similar issues while Teddy was here that we are dealing with in Bryce.

That's what I mean. If you claim to possess some super knowledge about the QB position from a previous non-football but football related job, wouldn't you want to expound upon that to support this "everyone doesn't know anything about being a QB" thesis? The rest is just summed up by stating that there are a lot of variables to a QB being successful. Yeah....I mean that isn't earth shattering. While there is certainly a lot of luck involved in all manners of success, consistent success with the variables around you also changing on a regular basis is usually fairly conclusive. Is Trent Dilfer the same as Tom Brady? Is Nick Foles the same as Patrick Mahomes? I supposed based on the OP's arguments, they are. That's not really the way it turned out, however. The NFL isn't unlike most other jobs or even other sports. The cream typically does rise to the top on a more consistent basis. Is it accidental that premier poker players seem to win or perform very well on a consistent basis, give that any individual hand is largely luck?

And we have no idea if that is what they actually think at all.

So you are saying we need Andy Reid?

You definitely can't trust a lot of the current team sources, IMO. Seems like Tepper has purged a lot of the old guard and replaced them with a bunch of scared loyalists. I think the most you are gonna get leaked to the media is company line, for whatever that is worth.

This qualifies as analysis??? This is what impressed you??

Yep. I do remember that indeed. He was right. We are in year three and it's still a work in progress. I will say he has definitely cured me of wanting to draft another QB that is lacking in basic fundamentals. That's the biggest red flag of all. I think Bryce wants to be an NFL player but I do question if he has the drive to be great.

Yeah and another guy on a mega deal. I think the thing that is getting all these franchises twisted up is the fear of having to search for a new QB again. Ultimately, if you end up with a Kyler Murray, Trevor Lawrence, Deshaun Watson, etc....now you have a franchise killer. A guy that will draw insane resources while never developing into a QB capable of leading a team to a championship. That's the big danger with Bryce. I am fine attempting to extend him on a 2-3 year "prove it" deal for maybe $20-25 mil AAV with a lot of performance based incentives and a painless early out. But, he isn't likely to accept an offer like that. I would think he is likely to want a mega offer, as is his right as an NFL QB to ask for. I would prefer we just simply move on if he doesn't show he is a franchise caliber QB this season. Seems like every offseason there are ample options in terms of distressed assets, older journeyman QB's and former starters that can spell us while we build a capable team that might not need a superstar QB to be a competitor.

It's not analysis. There was no attempt to analyze anything or even convey new information at all.

The most infuriating part is that it didn't appear to be something that was even attempted to be addressed(footwork) until last season. He also had what I considered a big red flag that first offseason which was the interview in which he stated something along the lines of that he basically kept his offseason pretty football free. I didn't like that. Kyler has better tools and is a tremendous athlete in comparison. I mostly question Kyler between the ears. He is another guy that I am not completely sure loves football.

That's really what people are seeing with the arm strength issues. He has below average NFL arm strength but it's not Chad Pennington-esque. He still just struggles keeping a good base when he is throwing the ball. His fundamentals are still a work in progress and when the pocket breaks down or his internal clock goes off, back to bad habits. As you said, he isn't athletic enough to consistentlu hurt people with his feet so he has to get better about keeping his mechanics tight on a consistent basis. He doesn't have elite Cam/Allen/Mahomes/Jackson/etc arm abilities to rely on when his base isn't set.

The Bengals have been quite clear about not taking anything close to a 2nd for him. Despite all that chirping, they intend to keep him, if possible.

I mean, look, we aren't likely to be a playoff team nor a contending team. Could he have netted us another win? Maybe. It's not a big deal. We need to build for the future and that is the path we seem to be on.

The original post that was based on doesn't seem to be saying what that article is saying at all. It's moreso general commentary on Bryce. Seems click baity.

No, he did want to go back to Minny. That was a real thing. Given the newer resources we had, it was the overall correct decision to trade him away. It definitely didn't make us a better team in the short term but it may yet make us a better team in the long term. It was always going to suck to lose him but it was the correct decision to make for him and us.

No panic trades, please. Value picks at reasonable prices are fine. There is no silver bullet out there that fixes all the pass rush problems and certainly not at a reasonable price. Preserve future draft capital and just get another rotational guy, IF necessary.

I don't think it can be underestimated how much that both Bryce and AT relied on that connection. They elevated each others play. Frankly, we haven't had anyone AS capable of filling that void. Not to say in the end we won't be better off because all these potentially future core players like TMac, Coker, Horn, etc are getting more reps and accelerating those learning curves.

Is this a Matt Rhule sock account???

Jared Goff and Baker Mayfield were very successful in their first few seasons in the NFL. Geno Smith and Sam Darnold were busted prospects that took many stops to "figure it out." Even then, their career arcs aren't set. Lawrence has been a unquestioned bust versus the hype he came into the league with. He still hasn't figured it out nor does it seem he will be able to live up to that massive contract. It remains to be seen if he is a cautionary tale from that era of mega-contracts or he eventually figures it out and becomes an above average NFL starting QB.

I have seen little inclination that they are laying down on him, that I can agree with. I don't think we are going to ever see much in the way of unfiltered opinions in the public realm from his teammates because that's extremely rare and extremely toxic behavior. It's certainly a positive thing that they support him but, again, that doesn't make a successful NFL starting QB. Playing well on Sunday's does. That is what has been lacking to date. He is not playing well consistently enough to be considered an NFL starting QB. He has to improve there. Be more consistent. Be more decisive. Make correct decisions more frequently.

That's fine but for every Kurt Warner there are 10 Tony Banks that don't find their spot because....it never really existed. Jake Browning was on and off practice squad teams for years until he stuck in Cincy. In his limited action over the past two seasons, he has played well enough that the Bengals panic traded for 41 year old Joe Flacco. It's easy to point to outliers like Warner or Purdy or Tom Brady as players who fell through the cracks because....well, they are outliers. The statistics over the long term have never really borne out the argument that every QB is just waiting for their perfect spot and situation. Most of these guys bounce around the league and it just never really clicks anywhere or they become marginal backup QB's. I don't think that exactly an accident. It's tough to be a starting NFL QB and it's why the hunt every offseason is so frantic. There are just so few that do it at a high level. My guess is that a theoretical market for Bryce Young(today) is going to look a lot like that post Chicago Justin Fields market. Not a lot of interest and a late round pick value at the highest. And a lot of that IS going to be his average to below average physical traits. It's extremely tough to be in that range and excel in the NFL. And it's precisely because you DO have to be closer to perfection to make up for the fact that you can't do a lot of the things that the elite to above average starters in this league do.

Fair enough. I don't think many would argue that situations can certainly make players(much like you are suggesting). However, when players keep changing situations and not being successful, what then? This has always sort of been my point with the historical evaluation problem we have experienced as a franchise. Not saying it is 100% accurate but it's really, REALLY high. That's generally what my perception of Bryce is. He isn't a guy that is likely to be successful almost any place in the NFL.