kungfoodude

It's hard to lay blame. We never know the full details. Either way, no point in blame now. The damage is done.

There isn't anything wrong with the stat itself. The fault is people's interpretations and how they use them.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/47023643/falcons-qb-penix-season-ending-surgery-torn-acl

New Orleans and Atlanta were some of the worst rush defenses too Everyone is just selling out as hard as possible because of how bad Bryce Young has been. If the team wants to open it back up at the LOS, it's going to take Bryce taking what they give him week in and week out. Case on point, after that insane performance Sunday, his game CPOE was -0.7%. Translation: He basically took the opportunities given to him. He wasn't threading it into tight windows or making bananas throws. He was just simply taking advantage of the Falcons lack of faith in his ability to throw. That has to continue.

Nah, that "hurting the team" is on Dave Canales. An NFL team isn't an egalitarian entity. Dave should be the one recognizing this sort of thing. TBH, his cycle of realization typically seems to be measured in days and weeks and never in real time during a game. He is gonna have to fix that or his future as an NFL HC will be very bleak.

IIRC, he is the only NFL player to ever do so. Or at least he was.

Yeah, from a team building perspective, he is a very minor factor in the future plans. From a human perspective, you certainly hope he eventually gets his career started, even if it isn't with us.

I would say both are significant concerns.

Huffing paint has some wild long term effects.

I would imagine he likely gets released after TC.

Well Tyler Warren didn't play so....

That's why I say it probably mainly has uses in terms of comparing player versus player in terms of career accomplishments. If X and Y players have 150 career starts, a larger percentage of GWD/4QC could indicate a player is more "clutch." As you say, that's really probably more of a detailed look once you have the basic data.

I don't think that would garner any useful information. It would probably only be useful in relation to another player and their career. I don't think a season block is useful in any way. GWD data is only useful for career length timespans, IMO.

I don't think there is any definitive criteria for "comeback wins." Game Winning Drives was something developed and has set criteria. I look at GWD as basically useful for giving some insight into the totality of a career and the accomplishments. If a player has a lot of GWD or 4QC(4th Quarter Comebacks) in comparison to similar peers, one could use it as the basis or starting point for a debate on how "clutch" a player might be. I don't think I would utilize it much more than something along those lines because it's very specific and not really indicative of overall quality of a player.

I think he just kind of is who he is. Middle of the road TE. Nothing wrong with that, just don't want to see an Ian Thomas contract.

I don't think that's unfair. It is still in the 4th quarter. It's not really supposed to be the sort of definitive stat that people are making it out to be. Just a general measure of a player leading their team to victory in that final quarter and how often that happened.

Correct.

No, it has to be a 4th quarter/OT score that "wins."

The criteria is: GWD -- Game-winning drives led by quarterback. Must be an offensive scoring drive in the 4th quarter or overtime that puts the winning team ahead for the last time.

Eh...there are some times when they will throw up some more interesting versions. GWD within X amount of minutes left or whatever. I think it's a fine stat but not worth reading into too much.

Elite speed matters less than elite route running. Ask Jerry Rice. But....elite speed always has to be accounted for.

I have no problem with existing GWD criteria. I think it's just goofy to apply it to a player attempting to make him seem better than he is without the full picture of their career performances.

You are talking about purely last possession? That would be an extremely small amount and likely almost be exclusively GW FG drives. Outside the EXTREMELY rare walk off TD, most of these scenarios involve the other team getting the ball back in some fashion(kickoff, last couple of plays, etc).

It's lazy, retarded AI nonsense. "Works."