kungfoodude

Yeah, I suppose there is that. Not a bright outlook, that is for certain.

I honestly am not sure the hiring pool will get better if we fire him this offseason, next offseason or the offseason after. This is a tough sell to any coach with realistic options.

Donte actually recovered from that surgery and has played very well the past two seasons. Now, he has done it on significantly better defenses than Horn....

Yeah and maybe NO wouldn't have absolutely dunked all over him in the two games had we played to his strengths more.

This is incorrect. We lose the #3 tiebreaker. In your scenario, common opponents record would be: Tampa: 7-7 Carolina: 6-8

This is my problem with the Pro-Bryce crowd. Why does Bryce get graded on this curve??? Why?? He is a three year starter.

He is not in man coverage very often. I wish we would change that scheme to have him on an island versus their best WR more often. Why would you pay a player that kind of money and not have him shadowing the opposing teams best WR??? It's bananas.

Actually, it is startling how many worse NFL starters there have been this season than Bryce. It has not been a great year for bottom tier QB's.

I don't disagree. I was just pointing out that of all the scenarios you were comparing in those images, technically Bryce was in the best shape. Not good shape, for certain.

Yeah, it's why I get so upset when they do such obviously goofy things like drafting project players in the top 3 rounds. That is a luxury that a team like the Ravens might be able to get away with but even they rarely do that. I will say that Morgan seemed to hone in primarily on FOOTBALL players rather than just pure athletes in this last draft. Mixed results so far but that had been too often overlooked by our franchise.

I think if you gave him Brady or Manning's mind he would be a viable starter in the NFL. Nothing spectacular, but a middle of the pack game managing type. Chad Pennington+, if you will.

I think a massive amount of the offseason plans are going to be an unknown until we see what happens with the defensive coordinator spot. I just hope we stick to BPA. This is a truly awful roster, let's work on improving that overall.

There probably is some truth to that. I think the overwhelming bulk of his problems are between his ears.

I would say coaching was a bigger factor, for sure. But Bryce was the biggest reason outside our coaching staff. He just isn't an NFL caliber starting QB. He's a middle of the pack 2nd stringer at his peak.

Oh, I am definitely on board the Jettison Bryce Train but my logic is based on trying to get as many boxes ticked as possible. I think we can all agree the only real chance of getting rid of anyone is likely Evero and that is probably just because he isn't going to resign with us.

Truthfully, those really haven't been massive concerns. In fact, I would call them lesser concerns in the overall Bryce Experience.

Our offense mustered 44 yds on 4 drives in the last 24:54 of Sunday's game. It would be very disingenuous to call his game "good." For a "clutch performer" he was the smallest when the lights were the brightest.

XL is showing he just isn't an NFL WR. If they are smart, they attempt to move him this offseason.

I don't think any premium pass rushers will be available when we pick in the 10-16 range. It is a very good spot to land an elite LB or potentially a great TE. Unless a truly elite TR drops to us, I wouldn't reach for that position. This isn't a very strong class and last year was the year to make that move. It's strange how many mocks I see with us taking a WR or CB.

My logic was hopefully a new HC would have a LOT quicker hook for Bryce. But, that is assuming they would even be allowed. I guess that's a call to the owner's box for permission.

I wouldn't deny it would be a bad look. But I do think he has conclusively shown he is a not a good head coach.

I had someone argue with me the other day that his career had been similar through three seasons of starting. I mean....define "similar." It definitely hasn't been statistically nor results.

On the season his stat line versus NO is: 8 completions on 12 targets, 157 yds, 3 TD's, 0 INT's, 2 Passes Deflected Half of his total TD's allowed has been to the Saints. The Saints have absolutely dominated him.

If people can't see how bad he is now, I am just not really sure what else it is going to take.

He is actually tied for the 2nd most targeted player on the Panthers this season at 58(or 4.5 Targets/GM). He is behind Mike Jackson's 82 targets(5.9/GM). They both do pretty well with QB Rating. Jackson allowing a 77.7 and Horn a 70.9. Hilariously, Rosebum is tied with 58 targets. Opposing teams know. Lol. Back to the cluster of missed tackles, there appears to be none. He has missed 2 tackles in a game twice this season and has recorded missed tackles in 9 of 13 games.