kungfoodude

It's a bit of both. Running game can open up deep passing opportunities but if you can threaten deep, it will keep them from loading up the box. We aren't particularly good at anything currently. That's part of the problem

I mean...that is a crazy easy schedule from start to finish. You are looking at one elite team and as many as three upper tier teams. Other than that, it's middle of the pack or cellar dwellers. I wouldn't start calling shots on us losing out. We have all been here before.

Well, Hooker was a guy that was drafted in the 3rd round pick sitting behind a well established starter yet Detroit somehow saw enough to let him go after two offseasons. Where does that fit into your ideal situation?

You are literally naming almost entirely instances where they are sitting behind a well established if not star player that was already on the team. That's a different scenario entirely. Listen, if you want to make all the mental gymnastics for excuses, have at it. I think the facts are clear, Bryce Young is not an NFL caliber player. Furthermore, no amount of pine time nor change of scenery is likely to change that.

It's easy to conserve energy when you loaf most of a game, don't block, etc.

I mean, the record speaks for itself at this point. He is 6-24 as a starter and his INT% has gone up from 1.9 to 2.3 to 3.3 each year. He is far from completely to blame but 100% of the indicators are that the NFL has largely figured him out.

That really was what took the wind out of the sails of the comeback, how bad he looked on that final drive. He can sometimes catch lightning in a bottle, he did last season for a stretch, but when it goes south he reverts back to not looking like he has ever played above a HS football level.

I wish Bryce the best, as a guy that said he was the best QB in that draft, but I don't really think he will be much better elsewhere. Well, let me clarify, not better enough to ever be a regular NFL starting QB.

I think we are looking at the same stats, I think you just have pro-Bryce goggles on. That seems to be pretty clear by the post history, anyway. Not really sure how or why anyone would still be in that camp, but carry on.

I am not sure really by any reasonable measure how you could believe that or see that when you look at them statistically but agree to disagree. Regardless, one is a good NFL QB and the other is not an NFL QB at all. That much is very clear.

Cool. Then back to being a dumpster fire. Great.

Those scenarios are so unbelievably far from each other that I had to think for a while who in the world you where talking about. I think you are forgetting that RGIII's career was basically over after year 1. I am not sure how you forgot this.

I care nothing of the more or less bust. It's all the same.

Yeah, I don't anticipate many suitors for him when we attempt to unload him. He is far less valuable than Justin Fields and almost no one in the NFL was willing to jump on that grenade. Not surprisingly, he hasn't shown any reason to have done so, either.

I would call Baker's season significantly better because he didn't get benched and he actually produced significantly. He also won more games. Regardless of that season, the career arcs are wildly different. Hell, Baker's worst two seasons would almost match Bryce's "best" season, so far. Look, is it possible Young turns this around, sure. But I would make a very significant wager it will not. Not with the Panthers, nor the other couple of teams he likely plays for on his way out of the NFL(my personal prediction).

Read my later post on it. I don't share the same view on either of those guys. One is still bad and the other was never bad in the first place.

I get that aspect but I genuinely don't believe that Bryce would be helped enough by a far better coaching staff to be even an average NFL starter. Consider that he has technically had three head coaches in his time here with limited changes in the results.

I actually disagree. I would rather have the bust out of the gate. NC is littered with Skins fans and that RGIII stuff scarred all of them. I get it. You think you have, "The Guy" only to see it all derailed by injuries. That's more painful, IMO.

That is definitely not necessarily true. There were ample instances throughout NFL history of young QB's playing early. You might be thinking of college football where that was definitely not a thing. I would push back on the "learning" part. It isn't as if there are gobs of reclaimation projects littering the NFL. Most of those guys either end up as career backups or flame out quickly. IMO, it's more that they were not NFL players in the first place. That has literally been a thing as long as the NFL/NFL Draft existed.

Not to mention that Darnold is still a lower tier starter to upper tier backup QB. Far from a "success" story. Baker was a playoff caliber player with the team that drafted him. He doesn't fit this mold at all. Hell, look at his stats from Cleveland and it will make your head spin in comparison to the rest of the guys being mentioned there. Jones looks great so far but it's two games of that.

This is cherry picking and, quite honestly, with some suspect examples with recency bias. The overwhelming majority of bust QB's that teams move on from end up never amounting to anything more than a lower level starter to middling backup. I would wager likely greater than 95% in the past 25 drafts or so.

XL is a social media influencer masquerading as an NFL player, IMO. I think he is far more passionate about that poo than he is football. I think it shows on the field.

I would push back on the idea that Newton came into a dumpster fire. He came into a team with solid bones/talent that needed a retool, which we did. I promise you, had we plopped prime Cam into the mess that was our organization that Bryce arrived into, we certainly still wouldn't be talking about playoffs. Far better results, no doubt, but that is an easy bar to clear.

Agreed. I think they never seriously considered him an option even though he was/is miles better than Darnold. I think the ego stuff was massively overplayed. He was played for the Browns, a disaster organization, and he accomplished more than they have in years. He came here to another diaster organization that happened to be worse than Cleveland and he didn't succeed. But, how could he? Frankly, who the fug could? I think our general fanbase really underestimates how terrible this organization truly is. It can nuke anyone. poo, you see how Stroud is struggling with a damn good Texans team? Can you imagine how bad he would be here in our circumstances?? He can thank his lucky stars we made the choice we did.

I am beyond this idea of "development" with the Panthers. It just hasn't really happened here often enough and most of these "high potential, very raw" guys have just been flat busts for us. Wallace should have been on the pine for 2-3 years. And maybe at a place that actually DOES develop those type of players.