kungfoodude

I would say both are significant concerns.

Huffing paint has some wild long term effects.

I would imagine he likely gets released after TC.

Well Tyler Warren didn't play so....

That's why I say it probably mainly has uses in terms of comparing player versus player in terms of career accomplishments. If X and Y players have 150 career starts, a larger percentage of GWD/4QC could indicate a player is more "clutch." As you say, that's really probably more of a detailed look once you have the basic data.

I don't think that would garner any useful information. It would probably only be useful in relation to another player and their career. I don't think a season block is useful in any way. GWD data is only useful for career length timespans, IMO.

I don't think there is any definitive criteria for "comeback wins." Game Winning Drives was something developed and has set criteria. I look at GWD as basically useful for giving some insight into the totality of a career and the accomplishments. If a player has a lot of GWD or 4QC(4th Quarter Comebacks) in comparison to similar peers, one could use it as the basis or starting point for a debate on how "clutch" a player might be. I don't think I would utilize it much more than something along those lines because it's very specific and not really indicative of overall quality of a player.

I think he just kind of is who he is. Middle of the road TE. Nothing wrong with that, just don't want to see an Ian Thomas contract.

I don't think that's unfair. It is still in the 4th quarter. It's not really supposed to be the sort of definitive stat that people are making it out to be. Just a general measure of a player leading their team to victory in that final quarter and how often that happened.

Correct.

No, it has to be a 4th quarter/OT score that "wins."

The criteria is: GWD -- Game-winning drives led by quarterback. Must be an offensive scoring drive in the 4th quarter or overtime that puts the winning team ahead for the last time.

Eh...there are some times when they will throw up some more interesting versions. GWD within X amount of minutes left or whatever. I think it's a fine stat but not worth reading into too much.

Elite speed matters less than elite route running. Ask Jerry Rice. But....elite speed always has to be accounted for.

I have no problem with existing GWD criteria. I think it's just goofy to apply it to a player attempting to make him seem better than he is without the full picture of their career performances.

You are talking about purely last possession? That would be an extremely small amount and likely almost be exclusively GW FG drives. Outside the EXTREMELY rare walk off TD, most of these scenarios involve the other team getting the ball back in some fashion(kickoff, last couple of plays, etc).

It's lazy, retarded AI nonsense. "Works."

Game 1(Jags): Trailed in 4th, comeback victory. Game 2(Tampa): Never trailed. Game 3(Atlanta): Never trailed. Game 4(New Orleans): Never trailed. Game 5(Indy): Led in the 4th, allowed them to tie and we won in OT. Game 6(Tennessee): Trailed entire game. Lost. Game 7(New Orleans): Trailed entering 4th, took lead, allowed them to tie to send to OT. Won in OT. Comeback victory. Game 8(Houston): Led entering 4th quarter. Gave up 4th quarter TD to lose. Game 9(Tampa Bay): Led 20-7 entering 4th. Gave up 17 straight points in 4th. Rallied for a GW FG. Comeback victory. Game 10(Washington): Tie at 10 entering 4th. Scored to go up 13-10, allowed a Redskins TD to go down 17-13. Scored the next drive. Comeback victory. Game 11(Dallas): Trailed entire game. Lost. Game 12(Philadelphia): Trailed after first drive. Lost. Game 13(Atlanta): Led in 4th quarter, gave up tying TD. Lost in OT. Game 14(Arizona): Trailed entering 4th, scored to take lead, allowed tying score and then drove for GW FG. Game 15(Detroit): Never trailed. Game 16(New York Giants): Never trailed. So in 9 total games were we ever behind in the 4th quarter. Of those: Entered 4th Leading: 2 Games(1-1) Entered 4th Trailing: 6 Games(3-3) 4th Tied: 1 Game(1-0)

GWD -- Game-winning drives led by quarterback. Must be an offensive scoring drive in the 4th quarter or overtime that puts the winning team ahead for the last time.

Huh? He "only" had 5 4th Quarter Comebacks in 2003. Where are you getting this "trailed in the 4th quarter 12 out of 16 games?" We only ENTERED the 4th quarter trailing 6 total times and we went 3-3 in those games.

3 TO's and 17 penalties.

Their fuging numbers aren't even right. Dimestore meme.

It's extremely bad AI if you pay attention to the details.

The fact he keeps getting abused makes me think something might be up. I am not buying he just suddenly is in this funk.