kungfoodude

Qe need so many upgrades. It's wild.

Yes but you basically said you are going from a quick skim of those charts without doing the same for Bryce and/or Andy. So you are going memory vs. snapshots. That's not going to be a very comprehensive analysis.

I don't think working from memory is going to be very productive or useful. You would need to compare them all, which is far easier to do from the breakdowns of each game. That has tiered charts that give real data. But, even then that wouldn't substitute for a trained eye(s) doing detailed film analysis to attempt to determine if we are modifying the offense dramatically for Bryce.

Well, I did actually do that to get the 20+ yard passes per game. I could break of their tiers of passes and compare those but really that's not any more informative than IAY/PA is. That's the overall average, basically. Again, not a massive difference. Bryce is way down in that statistic this season so far but it remains to be seen if that will rise or not. It did last season towards the latter half of the year.

Even if we do roll with Bryce/Dalton, I think there needs to be a real battle for backup QB in camp, at least. Roster three, if necessary. Sign one, draft one, IDGAF but let's see some potential options, at least.

My larger point being that this IS the Dave Canales offense. From a stastical perspective, the results haven't changed much in terms of deep targets or IAY/PA. Now, a much more thorough film breakdown would be necessary to say if Canales has actually modified his offense significantly for Bryce. I don't personally believe that it has but I haven't slogged through the 40+ All 22 tapes to say with great certainty. It would be an interesting thing to see someone do a breakdown video of that.

Yeah, he is playing like an elite CB. I just wish we used him to shut down opposition weapons a little more frequently.

I am not against adding a guy like Winston/Howell but it would be in a three rostered QB scenario. Maybe take one of those guys and also a rookie QB. That's basically the "darts at a dart board" strategy. Not against it.

The point is that from 2023-Present, Dave Canales was calling offensive plays. He was not doing so prior to that time period.

What would possess someone to discuss this on a podcast/podcast adjacent is beyond me. People have really lost their minds in modern society.

I would have to disagree. PJ Walker didn't accidentally end up with a 54.6% career completion percentage and a 1:2.7 TD to INT ratio by accident. PJ had some of the worst field vision we have ever seen in the history of this franchise.

I will say that Bo Nix has been better than expected but if you watch him play, there is not a gulf between him and Bryce. That's also a fairly pedestrian armed QB. He just has the big advantages of a far better roster and an overwhelmingly better HC. Not trying to take away the credit he deserves for arguably being the best QB in that class so far, just saying he pro has the best situation, as well.

Per NFL NGS(can only gather data on the QB with the most snaps, so there will be a very small variance) for 20+ yard targets per game: Baker(2023): 4 Dalton(2024-2025): 2.3 Young(2024-2025): 3 So there is a modest improvement from Young to Baker. Not sure one more target a game is what everyone is looking for. I didn't compare over success rate(I can do that, if desired). I would imagine that could change the difference quite a bit but, again, that's more on the QB and not so much the offense. I still believe this IS the offense.

I don't really think they will functionally be better than Bryce. Especially in this offense. Baker's IAY/PA were 8.5 in 2023. Bryce is at 8.6 in 2024 and 6.5 in 2025. Dalton is at 6.7 in 2024 and 9.5 in 2025. So those numbers don't seem to indicate on the average that the targets are much deeper. I can take a look at 20+ passes/GM, if you want.

Lions, Chargers, etc. The injury bug is hitting hard. I will say that we seem to be weathering it better than most. Pretty surprising.

I think Richardson was the most egregious in recent memory. He was so clearly nowhere near an NFL caliber QB. I will never understand how anyone could be fooled by that guy.

His career 1.06 INT's a game would suggest otherwise. 5 dumb passes a game is very kind. TBH, it's probably closer to 15-20% of his overall passes are dumb or ill advised. It's just who he is. I still don't agree with this philosophy. The "I THROW BALL COACH! I DO GOOD!" QB's are just not what I view as a long term solution nor a winning strategy. I can understand the want to move on from whatever Bryce is doing, believe me, I am in complete agreement on that. I just don't view a potential increase in TO's to be worth the trouble. Also, I don't think this Canales offense is one that guys like Winston/Howell are really going to shine the best way that they can.

Yeah, I mean a decent chunk of those are actually still downgrades from Shell Of Dalton. If we draft a QB and then maybe sign one of those reclaimation projects....maaaaaybe it's not the worst idea. But those guys as a Bryce safety net are scary as hell.

Yeah, it's obvious Lewis is hurting.

He is a good coach but that is not a good roster. They have been quite lucky.

Horn is extremely easy to gameplan against. Just move your star WR and he doesn't shadow him. Massive Evero flaw.

Solves two problems.

I don't think it is as dire as that. There is certainly some NFL chatter that QB's are less prepared than before(several reasons given). I am less inclined to believe that than I believe the NFL just has less overall impulse control with QB's. Similar to the NBA pre-age limit. No one made these idiots overdraft 18 year old HS players, they just did it.

This list seems to be lacking any look at contract structures. I would suggest browsing OTC for a bit. Some of these will immediately change from possible to absolutely impossible.

Good Christ, why are you wishing so many downgrades at QB on us??? Have we not suffered enough yet??