kungfoodude

He is a choker with a much, much higher career winning percentage, so it has been fairly minor. If we called all Bryce's bad performances "choking" he would be nearing NFL career worst levels. So, yeah, pretty minor. Okay, but Bryce is consistently bad and extremely bad under pressure. Those things have showed up on the stat sheet. It's been the 0.325 career winning percentage

Yeah, I am not saying I thought he was a strong prospect by any means. I generally didn't think too highly of him(nor this QB class overall). He has, to date, far exceeded my expectations for him in year 1.

I mean, again, based on what? Kyler is tremendously more physically skilled, he sees the field far better, he is more efficient as a passer, his throwing mechanics are better, his decision making is better, etc, etc. He is a choker and he is brittle but those are basically the two minor advantages that Bryce has. Aside from that, literally nothing. I am asking WHY you think he is the better QB when almost every available measure that anyone could possibly use says quite the opposite?

Eh, even if Shough takes 2-3 years to adjust, you should reasonably expect him to provide at least a decade of solid play IF he pans out. That puts him in his mid-late 30's which is increasingly when a lot of these guys seem to be exiting their useful years. poo, sign me up for that.

I don't think there will be much trouble with the contract considering 2026 is the end of his guaranteed money and his 2026 salary(currently) would make him somewhere near the Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield area of AAV. So, bottom of the top 20 and just inside the backup, low caliber QB range of QB pay. Like I said, don't be surprised if he gets moved. What was the reason he went to the bench? Do you even remember? Lol....100% emotional, dude. Listen we disagree from time to time and I always enjoy a debate but you aren't even attempting a compelling argument at all. Bryce is demonstrably a worse NFL QB than Kyler Murray. And that shouldn't be some brag point for Kyler. That's being compared to a guy that is probably not a top 40 roster NFL QB.

You just keep going back to an emotional argument and one not based in anything football related. So, which one is going to be the starter and which one isn't? Also, how confident in that prediction are you?

But winning games is a bad metric? Because one has a much better career winning percentage. So if you aren't as good statistically and you lose considerably more.....you are the better QB??? Again, please help me find any logic in this argument.

I am not sure why any source would be particularly useful on free agency moves during the season but I will just say, I think you will see.

College football is an extremely poor comparison. Also, by "right now" do you mean this season? Because one of those two QB's has no statistical argument for being better than Baker Mayfield. I don't think this is about stats, records or anything on the football field. You just like Bryce Young and you dislike Kyler Murray. But that isn't an argument based in any football reality, it's just your personal feelings.

As a FREE AGENT, absolutely so. He would be an insanely big upgrade from Bryce. We would finally have a QB capable of performing the upper 90% of NFL starters. Price depending, obviously. That being said, I would say the odds of Murray being a free agent are a lot smaller than you think. His odds of being moved are far higher than the odds of him being cut. They have until March 22nd to move him or his 2027 base salary is guaranteed.

I think that is the difference between elite guys and JAG's(or worse). The elite guys are better able to make those adjustments quickly. Certainly, one can argue that development can be hindered by the team/franchise but the cream does fairly consistently seem to keep rising.

I mean...I would love to hear any sort of logic of how Murray could possibly be construed as a worse QB than Bryce. How are you basing it? If not statistically, winning percentage? Well, I have bad news for your argument. So are we going, what, eye test? Well, I have even worse news than the last news. So after that what remains?

That's fine but if you don't figure it out until 5-6 years into the NFL what does it matter if you came in at 22? That is basically my point, it depends on overall development time whether you are 20 or 29.

Murray is not only better than Bryce but fairly significantly so. Both of those QB's have had significantly better careers to date and are still better QB's than Bryce.

That was the first time in NFL history the same player has had more than one TO on a single possession.