kungfoodude

Yeah, I am not saying he is doing anything wrong. I just didn't like the move by the front office. It felt panicked.

I mean, did Bryce ever become a prince for more than a game or two at a time? I am not advocating in any way, shape or form for Sanders as a starter. If he was available for nickels and could compete in camp, I would be fine having him. I don't view him as any sort of savior and he is another guy that has some legit physical limitations and a TON of work to do getting faster and more decisive with his reads. I can't say given sample size he is better than Bryce....yet. But that ain't much in the way of bars to clear. Hence why I am so perplexed by the Kyler arguments here. I mean.....who in the world would even question the fact that he is a better QB than Bryce? And, once again, that doesn't make him good. It makes him better than one of the worst starting QB's in the past 5 or so years.

I was gonna say depth. The experience those guys have is minimal.

I mean, I keep trying to get this point across but it's wild how there doesn't exist any statistic on this planet that shows Bryce to be better than Kyler nor apparently any reasonable measure at all other than, "Cause I said so." Well, I guess if that's the way you want to make an argument, I can just never be wrong at all. Sounds pretty familiar in this modern society we have here.....

Both statistically and the "eye test" lean extremely heavily towards Kyler. Kyler is extremely, extremely, EXTREMELY clearly a better overall QB than Bryce. There is literally no compelling argument to be made because no one has been able to make one other than "I don't like him!" Is he a top 20 QB? Probably not. But compared to Bryce, he's a very good QB.

He is a choker with a much, much higher career winning percentage, so it has been fairly minor. If we called all Bryce's bad performances "choking" he would be nearing NFL career worst levels. So, yeah, pretty minor. Okay, but Bryce is consistently bad and extremely bad under pressure. Those things have showed up on the stat sheet. It's been the 0.325 career winning percentage

Yeah, I am not saying I thought he was a strong prospect by any means. I generally didn't think too highly of him(nor this QB class overall). He has, to date, far exceeded my expectations for him in year 1.

I mean, again, based on what? Kyler is tremendously more physically skilled, he sees the field far better, he is more efficient as a passer, his throwing mechanics are better, his decision making is better, etc, etc. He is a choker and he is brittle but those are basically the two minor advantages that Bryce has. Aside from that, literally nothing. I am asking WHY you think he is the better QB when almost every available measure that anyone could possibly use says quite the opposite?

Eh, even if Shough takes 2-3 years to adjust, you should reasonably expect him to provide at least a decade of solid play IF he pans out. That puts him in his mid-late 30's which is increasingly when a lot of these guys seem to be exiting their useful years. poo, sign me up for that.

I don't think there will be much trouble with the contract considering 2026 is the end of his guaranteed money and his 2026 salary(currently) would make him somewhere near the Sam Darnold, Baker Mayfield area of AAV. So, bottom of the top 20 and just inside the backup, low caliber QB range of QB pay. Like I said, don't be surprised if he gets moved. What was the reason he went to the bench? Do you even remember? Lol....100% emotional, dude. Listen we disagree from time to time and I always enjoy a debate but you aren't even attempting a compelling argument at all. Bryce is demonstrably a worse NFL QB than Kyler Murray. And that shouldn't be some brag point for Kyler. That's being compared to a guy that is probably not a top 40 roster NFL QB.

You just keep going back to an emotional argument and one not based in anything football related. So, which one is going to be the starter and which one isn't? Also, how confident in that prediction are you?

But winning games is a bad metric? Because one has a much better career winning percentage. So if you aren't as good statistically and you lose considerably more.....you are the better QB??? Again, please help me find any logic in this argument.

I am not sure why any source would be particularly useful on free agency moves during the season but I will just say, I think you will see.

College football is an extremely poor comparison. Also, by "right now" do you mean this season? Because one of those two QB's has no statistical argument for being better than Baker Mayfield. I don't think this is about stats, records or anything on the football field. You just like Bryce Young and you dislike Kyler Murray. But that isn't an argument based in any football reality, it's just your personal feelings.

As a FREE AGENT, absolutely so. He would be an insanely big upgrade from Bryce. We would finally have a QB capable of performing the upper 90% of NFL starters. Price depending, obviously. That being said, I would say the odds of Murray being a free agent are a lot smaller than you think. His odds of being moved are far higher than the odds of him being cut. They have until March 22nd to move him or his 2027 base salary is guaranteed.