Khyber53

@JetFan Thanks for the good words on Darnold. While many of us think this was a pretty good move, it helps to hear that the fans in NY hated to see him go. Hopefully we can rehab him from the damage done.

Crazy as it sounds... it would work.

The game is, was and will always be about the trenches. Build your wall(s).

Let's not break out the champagne yet. Hoping he is a good one. Hoping Rhule is a good HC. But let's not sound like we expect wedding bells after the first date. I know we're desperate and all, but let's let things play out before we start picking the bridal gown, k?

Let's put a truly optimistic spin on this. Carolina picks up a young QB from the trash heap and rehabilitates him. Darnold reaches the potential that had Daniel Jeremiah pre-draft saying he would be a top 3 draft pick and have a good career. We get a #3 pick quality QB without giving up a first round draft pick, still have our #8 pick to grab an OT with AND still have our first round draft picks for next year and beyond. All for a reasonable salary. If this works out, then we get the value of a #3 pick without having to sit through another lousy losing season. If it plays out well, then we won't pick in the top half of the draft again for years, all for a fairly reasonable trade situation. The best case scenario in all of this is actually pretty darned good. The worst case scenario is we may have a top 3 draft pick next season in the draft and on the roster.

The bar wasn't set very high. The bar might not have even been lifted off the ground.

At this point, either would be good but I think Slater is probably the better choice for us right out of the box. Sewell has massive potential but he needs more coaching and experience. Slater started as a freshman and has effectively played left and right sides. Honestly, I think with Sewell you work up to getting Taylor Moton type work from him. Slater may work up to Jordan Gross level. We'd be sitting pretty if that is the case. If somehow Pitts falls and he's still there at 8, I'm still thinking we take a hard look at snagging a game-changer TE. Then again, who knows who may fall to #8... it's not as far down the list as we sometimes think. Darnold could be the bridge guy and we take a QB. Things sure got a lot harder to predict yesterday.

Well thought out!

If Teddy ends up going back to the Saints, starting and playing winning football for them, then it's going to tell us a lot more about our coaching than it will about Teddy.

Honestly, I don't know WTF is going to happen with this. It looks like we gave a few minor-ish draft picks for a chance to kick the tires of a former #3 draft pick who has at least seen the field. When he saw the field, he pretty much couldn't compete. Then again, no one on those teams could compete and the Jets have been the poster child for the worst coaching in the league. They basically destroy all of their high draft picks... and all of their draft picks are high. It is a sign of a bad organization. So, we get a one-year test drive on a guy that probably should have been at least a decent QB. He doesn't have a lot of injuries, doesn't seem to have any legal baggage and has a built-in fifth year option that we can make use of if he performs decent to great here. Had we waited until after the draft, chances are the Jets were going to release him at some point. And we could have gotten him cheaper, probably, if we could get him at all. Someone was going to take a shot at him, as a back up at the least. So, we kind of got ahead of that line (and it might well have been a very short line considering his stats). The line on Rhule is that he rehabilitates broken programs and brings them back into respectability. If he can do that with Darnold, we might see this as a brilliant move. If he can't, then we aren't out a whole lot, but we may need to start looking at buy out options for Rhule's contract. Hate to put it that way, but this is the NFL and you perform or you find new employment.

There's a plan at work here, and a long term one to boot. Just wish I knew what it was.

That's exactly what I am getting at. The current Jets have been so monumentally bad, across the entire team, that there's just no way to know what we've got here in the Darnold trade. I will say that Rhule and Co. made Anderson into a star-level performer last season after the Jets had done him no good. I'm sure he might have had a voice into what Darnold's capabilities really are. Honestly, though, I'm just pulling stuff outta thin air here. Never really saw this coming and I have no research on Darnold.

His familiarity with Robby Anderson could be a very strong point in his favor. The kid had the tools and experience coming out of college. Can our coaching staff repair the damage the Jets did and get him to reach his potential or is he just a placeholder for a year or two? As usual, Rhule and Co. have left us with some head-scratching to do until the season starts.

He's a Panther now, so here's hoping he finds his groove here. It would be great to have a Drew Brees-like resurgence here, or even a Ryan Tannehill one would make it alright. He's still pretty much just a kid, so if it works it could be a good, long term thing. In the guy's defense, I think that Jets coaching and capabilities would have ruined Joe Montana right out of college, too.

Thanks for the perspective. You make good points.

In the end, winners win games. Winners win big games. Winners win the biggest games. Winners wear the rings and eventually the jackets. The guy who can see the field, understand the field, keep one move ahead of the opposition and deliver the ball survives and becomes one of the greats. Arm strength is a definite assist. Mobility can help some. But in the end, it's what is inside the helmet that counts more than anything.

Just out of curiosity, did they somehow factor in how many times that first look was just to look off a defender? It's an interesting statistical glance, but considering the crop of players they were working with, both Lawrence and Jones had receivers so above their competition that second reads weren't as necessary possibly. In the end, stats give evidence, but they can't give any proof when it comes to this. So many moving pieces in the college game, and it only becomes so much more complex at the pro level. The worst thing for all of these top picks is that most of them are going to really bad teams, with really, really bad coaching staffs and they will be facing the toughest competition in their lives. There will be a couple of really good QBs that will be destroyed by bad coaching and bad protection before this is done who could have been super stars had they ended up on a better team. There's actually a chance we could be one of those terrible destinations right now.

This... 100%. Lots of good bits, but they are just scattered Legos on the floor. Really need to see something being built by this point.

Yep, but he's got to find that something extra to break through into greatness territory. Right now he's a factor in games, but he isn't something an entire offensive plan has to be built around.

No, I understand pressures are so very important to the overall game and he is getting that. Sacks, however, are the exclamation mark at the end of the sentence and can change the whole tenor of the contest. Sometimes it's just a fraction of a second that makes the difference, the great ones find that fraction of a second or they make the o-lineman give that fraction up themselves. Good coaching can make that difference, refining technique. I think he can do it, I just wish we were seeing more right away. And I do think there's a level with Johnson and Rucker that is still something he needs to work toward. Could he be the fourth face on our sack kings Mt. Rushmore with all-time greats Reggie White, Kevin Green and Julius Peppers? That's a mighty high bar, but Spider-Man climbs with the best of them, right?

I know my pick for who I want for QB, but that may well not be something we can be presented with at #8 if things pan out like the prognosticators predict. If that's the case, I do hope we grab an LT or Parsons in the first. Picking up either of these guys later on, maybe second round, hopefully third, could be something good. Both of them look like they have potential to be more than benchwarmers. Mills could end up being the steal of the draft if he can keep his cool in the face of pro defenses. There's something about what he offers and the fact that Stanford puts out some smart, ambitious football players. Mond, honestly, I just don't know enough about him. Maybe...

Would like to see him make it home with the sacks more, to be honest. Let's put him in the "good" rating, but he hasn't earned the "great" label yet. He's never going to be Julius Peppers, but he still can work himself up to the Charles Johnson level. Not meaning to downplay his potential, but he's still got a big ceiling above him and we need him to start reaching it. (He was still the best guy out there by far, but that defense last season was soft, weak and timid in most games.)

If this thread doesn't bring SCP out of hiding, then nothing will. I miss his posts/rants.

Jones will be there at 8 most likely, take him. If not (49ers could be actually taking him), then it is a toss up between Sewell and Parsons. We can use a career OT or a replacement at MLB for Luke.

Not sure he sucked, but he was well, mediocre I guess. Of course, on that line, that looked better than it was just by comparison. We've got to stop buying guards and just build 'em ourselves. Then cut them loose when they get good and overly expensive. FA veteran guards are too expensive and even the moderately priced ones have enough problems to be offset by rookie price tags and trainability.