Khyber53

Sometimes, yes. 15 yards and a first down are a big deal, but not as big as 40 yards and a TD when you are getting beat, though.

Sometimes a flag isn't the worst outcome in pass coverage.

I felt better about the pick once I realized that somewhere before the draft, Horn's pre-draft assessment got a thumbs up from Luke Kuechly. Enough said.

I'm wondering if we might be eyeing an aging OT in free agency after the draft instead of grabbing a rookie. Who is still out there?

I'm hoping more of like picking up Jake Delhomme off of the discards heap and going to the Super Bowl the first year.

Walker Little (I think he is way undervalued). Creed Humphrey as the next pick, although reversing that order could be very doable. Of course, with the way we are picking right now, they could take a punter and a highly touted hotdog vendor in the second and third rounds. There seems to be a huge difference between their boards and what we would put on our draft boards. Then again, we haven't seen what the coach's overall strategy is. He plays things very, very close to his vest. Hope that doesn't turn out to be that it's because he's in way over his head. Trying to keep the faith in him.

Someday, this will all make more sense and we'll be happy. I hope.

It's not the franchise changing pick we were all hoping for, myself included. It was, on longer consideration, a wise pick that could change the W-L column for us. Better DB play means our rushers get home more often. Means we get their offense off the field more. And it means we can take great advantage of playing INT-machine Jameis Winston twice a season.

After Aaron Hernandez and Patrick Chung, I don't think Belichick cares what happens off the field with his players. Heck even Mike Vrabel got arrested. Me, I think character counts, but Bill hoists trophies.

Look, I had no inkling this was going to be our guy. I didn't think we'd address secondary until much later in the draft. I felt we needed O-line more than anything and I still think we do. That being said... Horn is our guy now and a Panther. I'm going to cheer for him and I hope he has an outstanding, HoF career here. We did have massive problems with the defense last season. We just could not get the opposing team off the field in so many of our games. I think there were four or five games (maybe more) where the other team never had to punt a single time. And we lost a lot of those games by a single score. If our offense can continue to improve and this CB can just break up a few passes per game, then we could win some simple as that. If he becomes the guy that other teams just hate to see roll out into coverage against their WR1 then we're golden. I'm trusting that there's a plan in the works here. It took 2016-2019 to ruin the team, it might take more than a single season to rebuild it. Congrats Jaycee, do us proud!

Worked for him the last time.

Right now there are cheers in Detroit, Minnesota and Chicago.

I remember. Karma can be very, very slow. Or she might just have a really, really big bag to fill for them. Sooner or later that swamp juju they've been relying on will extract its price.

Rodgers wants a team with a great o-line, top end receivers, first rate running back and an owner wanting to shell out the bucks with no worries about future caps. I'm thinking but... oh sh!t! Dak Prescott is gonna be a Packer.

Someday...

Rent might not come, but mortgages come like clockwork.

I see no reason to do anything that favors the Patriots or Bill Belichick. Screw 'em. Let 'em pick 15th or trade back their own danged selves.

The Saints, always finding some way to mortgage tomorrow for today.

Look, most of the knocks against him deal with his athleticism. Personally, I don't think it's what they are making of it. He can throw, he can process the game, he wins. Hell, I'd be happy with Len Dawson smoking a cigarette and drinking a Fresca at the half-time of the Super Bowl kind of guy. Just as long as he wins. And I think he can.

I said early on that we'd take Mac Jones but a lot, and I mean a lot, has changed since then. Something, though, tells me that things are going to work out in just such a way that Jones is still available at #8. And I think we take him. Darnold can compete for the spot. If he wants it bad enough, he just has to beat out a rookie QB to be the starter. And I don't think we take the option on Darnold's fifth year, but instead see how this plays out. If Darnold plays great then we negotiate out a longer deal at competitive rates and Jones sits on the bench and learns the game, gets more athletic and plays the traditional role of rookie QB2. If Darnold falters, then Jones comes in and we negotiate with Darnold as if he is a back-up QB, which we still actually need (Grier will never see the field in regular season again with us). If Jones isn't there, I think we grab Slater and solidify our line. And we double down in the second, picking up Creed Humphrey for guard/center and take Quinn Meinerz in the fourth for guard. Third rounder will be Jevon Holland as a safety. The guy is a good deep center fielder. Less Eric Reed more Ed Reed .. smart, strategic player who relies more on film study and anticipation than speed and hitting power. After that it's just guess work.

Glad we did it, it bodes well for our future plans. He's a dynamite player and the rare non-diva starting WR -- that's priceless in this league.

Cam's body of work stands for itself. In his prime, there was no one, and has been no one, like him.

You make some good points but you eventually lose support in that last paragraph. The truth is there aren't 32 franchise QBs out there. Right now we're at a strong point in the QB game with maybe 1/3 of the league having what you could call "franchise" QBs. Rodgers, Mahomes, Brady, Ryan, Roethlisberger, Mayfield, Allen, Watson, Wilson, Stafford, Jackson. A few that could count as good and the rest holding place, developing or sliding out the last of their career. The success rate is low, in general, for top end QBs coming right out of the draft, but we're also in a time when these guys have been given more coaching for a longer part of their lives than ever before. Some won't be able to transition into the big game and others will finally be failed by coaching after spending their lives growing from it. It's tough, but I think we'll see more than one of these top 5 make it. Two, maybe even three. But a few of them will be going to teams that have huge underlying problems and no QB could sort those things out, much less some kid straight out of college.

Otto Graham, just killed opposing defenses, through the air or on the ground. Fran Tarkenton, if they measured how far he ran in total rather than just yardage gained, he'd have about 120,000 yards rushing. Had a heck of an arm, too. Steve Young, that guy just won. Great arm and moved better than you'd think and better than most defenders thought before they faced him. Randal Cunningham was like a ghost out there, gliding through defenses. Good, good arm and a student of the game. Had he had the protections QBs have today he'd have had 10 more years of career. Cam was great, Vick was great, Mahomes is great, but there's some trailblazers that paved the way for them.

Good for us, good for Teddy. Hope the best for him and we move onward.