Khyber53

I think that most of the draft ups for position 8 or better will have already played out before we get to our pick. Could we trade back into the first round? Maybe...

Sprint to the podium for Tyler Warren and then don't look back. Grab defensive players for the rest of the draft after that. Don't pass up on the best player at his position and one of the best in this draft just to fit some need.

Here's the thing for me: I don't know whether we are going to stay a base 3-4 team or go back to a 4-3 team over the next two years (especially if Evero continues to not work out). That being said, if we are going to go with DL players at #8, I think we need to go with the new model DTs that are out there like this guy and Mason Graham. Strong, aggressive, fast movers. My reasoning is that they are fully capable of playing DE in a 3-4 and can move back to DT in a 4-3 set up just as easily. On the other side of the equation, there's a big difference between a 3-4 Edge guy and a 4-3 DE, making that transfer difficult. It's the Brain Burns problem: quick and long works for a 3-4 Edge but he was too light for a 4-3 DE, especially in the run defense. The fact that he was on a team transitioning between the two types of defenses meant that even after the 3-4 switch was complete, he didn't have the personnel alongside him to really hit his stride. So, if we have to go defense on the pick, make it one of the more athletic DTs in the draft, IMO.

Soooo many teams trying to trade back in this class. It's kinda been an easy to see situation with so few true blue chip players in this draft. I hope we stick at 8 and go with BPA. My preference is for Warren, but there are some very, very good players that could amazingly fall to us based on trade ups ahead or just terrible picks being made.

I think a lot of teams want to trade down and it's going to be a buyer's market. We won't get what we normally would have in past years, unless we manage to catch someone desperate like Dallas. But then again, Dallas may have other suitors even before us. We should hopefully be planning on making that pick at 8 because if there is a lot of trade traffic before us, then some very interesting players may fall out in the mad dash. Trading for the sake of trading is stupid. Calmly waiting and keenly observing what is really going on around you is wise. So yeah, there's a chance we trade the 8 pick for the number 117 pick, three flat footballs and five cases of nacho cheese sauce for the concession stand.

How 2014 ranked as high as number 12 I just don't know. Trai Turner and Tre Boston are your standouts and I'm not sure how much they'd have seen the field with other teams. Actually, we know from history the answer to that.

I've been bantering about my CMC pick for years... ya mighta noticed. We take what victories we have and run with them. Makes life better!

I'm that guy. I've been that guy. It's a fun crown to wear while running around like a fool. Beats running around like a fool, crownless, like I do most of the time.

If he's our choice, we have to rely on Evero to be able to develop a game plan to maximize his potential AND develop his skills. Right now, I just don't see that in Evero. I hope I'm wrong.

Beyond the first three picks, I think everyone wants to trade back in this draft. It is a buyer's market and the eighth pick might not have the value it once did when it comes to trades. Make the pick, take the best player on the board (Warren, imho) and just move on.

Welcome back! And it's the same here as it is every year about this time.

Look, if we end up taking Jalon, I'm not going to complain. I think at worst he's going to be a good contributor and at best a classic Panthers linebacker (and that's really something). I just look at Warren and see a unicorn guy there that is going to make some long term waves in the league and I think that because of who we have in front of us, there's a fair shot at him still being there. It's as simple as that. And no one player is going to complete this team's rehabilitation right now. Let's be honest, we've got a ways to go before "competitive" is a descriptor of the Panthers.

Our problem hasn't been swinging for the fences, it has been in identifying the pitch. We've had some of the worst talent evaluators in the game for the last seven years. The last hit we really had was CMC and then one of our genius GMs let him go for a bag of beans and a handshake. And don't get me started on Brian Burns. He was meh with a good sack celebration. A rarely used one.

We shall see in a week.

My biggest worry about a Jalon pick is that well, he'll be pretty good. And right now, we need great. We are a long ways from being fixed around here. That's why I say grab Warren if he's still there at 8. We need the biggest, no doubt, hit immediately player available at pick #8 and he is both the most likely and one of the best overall football players in the draft. Grab him and then build onto the defense. And honestly, I'm not sure any player can fix the defense as long as Evero is still calling it. I don't have any faith in his coaching right now. I hope he can prove me wrong, but I'm not sure he could have made a working defense with Peppers, Kuechly and Gamble back there. Take the best player, don't draft for need.

I thought you said he never made use of a TE in his systems before... seems like from your post that he did. Just sayin'...

Oh, I'm not giving up on him, and I hope he grows and grows into a great TE, but he is far from dominant on the field right now. Pair him up with another young, but dominant TE and it opens a world of opportunities for our offense, both in the passing and rushing game. We would move more into the dictating our game to the other team than having their defense ram what they wanted to down our throats. We need hitters on offense. We need multi-role guys on the field. And we need some punch in the now before Thielen finally gets caught by Father Time.

45Catfan pretty much answered this. But... on the junior season, I'd happily take a guy who managed 7 touchdowns in 34 passes. Plus blocked. And then as a senior they roll him out not just as a receiver and a blocker, but as a running back and wildcat QB. He is the prototypical football guy a team needs.

When has Bryce had a good TE?

When has Canales had a really good TE in his system?

This time of the year, people without real football get trade fever. It's a real disease, a scourge on the sport, and it drives fans into frenzied states of conjecture and jackassery. Draft trades, player trades, coach trades and maybe even a mascot or two. Can't wait for the draft so that some of these trade scenarios will just be dust in the wind, not to return until next February or so. I am weary of trade talk. So weary.

If you watch, he creates the space with physicality. This isn't an issue for him. He has great hands when covered tightly and then just crashes the guy out of the way. We've got to get this guy.

Whoa.

Tyler Warren. Either take him at 8 or watch the Saints do it and then have to get whooped by him twice a season for the next 10 years. Take a DE in the second round. There are plenty of them and a lot of those people are suggesting at 1st round have needs for development. Get the TE that can complete our offense and start playing day 1.

I agree, owners should stay out of the process of making picks. But... owners gonna own. If a billionaire wants something, nowadays they get it, even a gig as Vice president un-elect. Honestly, though, I've been saying we need an overhaul of the entire scouting department (college and pro levels) for close to a decade now. It's sad to say this but we've been crap at it since Hurney left. And man, that wasn't a big hurdle to clear for those that followed.