Mr. Scot

You referenced us following a "Cardinals type plan"

My response to pretty much everybody who's talking about "competition" It ain't happenin' next year It could happen the following season, but only if Bryce has a bad fourth year. So if you're pinning any hope whatsoever on any potential QB competition for the 2026 season? Well, sorry but...

Neither do I... Also not a big Trevor Lawrence fan either. The "bigger and stronger" thing is probably the main appeal there.

Graziano does say he "talked to a bunch of Panthers people" and his takeaway was that "they still believe in him". My read on the extension talk though is that it's mostly hypothetical.

PS: Xavier Legette is bad, and I don't need stats to know that either

I haven't looked at Bryce's comparative stats because I don't care. Remember, early season we went with a very run heavy aproach. Passing stats were bound to be minimized in those game plans. If you do wanna focus on individual production though, you can't just look at the bad games. You have to account for the phenomenal near 400 yard game he had just a few weeks ago. He's shown what he can do. That's undeniable. But again, it all comes back to the consistency question.

I don't necessarily buy that. Hell, I'd be calling for their firing if I did. As hard as it might be to believe though, I do think our braintrust genuinely sees a possible future where we genuinely keep winning with Bryce. That's not my vision, but it legitimately could be theirs.

I'm guessing you understand that's not gonna happen, right?

Bryce is gonna start playing Call of Duty?

Same... "Competition" could potentially become an option the following season if he has a down year four. Next year? Kinda doubt it. Better backup? Si Competition? Nein

By wins, and by what I see on the field... And come on, dude. You know I don't go by stats. If you're posting them for the sake of others, fine. But you've debated me enough times to know that's not gonna sway me

Fair, though Mahomes is also having something of a "back to earth" season this year.

I used to work at a job where I occasionally had a desk admin role that included taking messages from employee friends and family. This one girl had a boyfriend who would call in every day and ask me to "tell Pook I love her" insisting specific that I call her by that name. My response? I walked over to her desk, then announced loudly and with a straight face in front of her and her nearby coworkers that "loverboy snooky woogums called to tell Pook he wuvs her" After which I'd turn and walk back to my desk maintaining as professional a demeanor as I could

Fowler and Graziano both believe he'll get the fifth year option. Graziano thinks that it's at least possible (and maybe practical) that they go ahead and offer him an extension of some sort. A short-term, mid-range extension would be the best idea in his eyes, but he isn't positive Young will want to agree to that.

If we assume Evero and his scheme remain in place, he'd technically be either a nose guard or a 3-4 style defensive end. Not necessarily a pass rusher, but a guy with the potential to play alongside Derrick Brown and make our defensive line a stone wall. I can get on board with this, but I'd hope we also make other offseason moves to improve our pass rush.

Seconded...

Not something to be concerned about. I pointed to that because it gives the full conversation to put the headline in context. Twitter guys are only gonna give you the highlights.

I've been iffy on Canales till now but this season has put me in his corner. He certainly still has areas that need improvement, but I do believe he can be "the guy". Admittedly, what I had hoped for was a chance to see Canales with a different quarterback. That particular scenario now looks to be, at the very least, a few seasons away. Gotta say also that we'd be remiss to have an offseason discussion and not reference Dan Morgan and the front office. What I see from there (especially since the addition of Brandt Tilis) is starting to look pretty positive. Here's hoping...

Full context here:

I'd throw Josh Allen in with Mahomes. Are Dolphin fans still split on Tua? I thought he was pretty much toast. (I know McDaniel is)

No, that's cherry picking. And it's really just a different spin on the "winning in spite of him" argument. Bottom Line: You cannot logically support the notion that everybody gets credit for wins except Bryce. Now mind you, even with acknowledging all these things, it remains possible to suggest that we should move on from Bryce (I still am) but basing the argument on this kind of thinking or hyperbole like "worst quarterback in the league" is weak.

I've argued before in this thread that the early season mediocrity isn't just Bryce. Very few NFL teams look great all season. Some start slow but get better. Others start strong but fade. The difference is offseason preparation and pacing throughout the aeason. Under Canales, the whole team comes out of the gate looking like sh-t, but they finish the season looking like winners. His in-season coaching and pacing seems to be solid. The offseason part...not so much That's why I want them to bring someone aboard who can coach Canales up on his offseason preparation. That includes helping Bryce get up to speed because what we're doing with him now obviously isn't cutting it.

Yep, and if you want to try and gauge the "human element" of the team, watch the videos of the locker room celebrations, paying particular attention to when Canales talks about Bryce.

Don't agree at all. We're winning more games than before, including against good teams with good defenses. And no, it isn't "in spite of him". That argument is silly. Yes, he's better. What he's not...is consistent, and I have a tough time fixing my hopes on a "franchise quarterback" who isn't consistent. But if we're all being completely honest... ...this wouldn't be the first time we've done that.

Saints game, although some of the early season contests were ugly too.