Mr. Scot

Define "we", kemo sabe I don't see that post as addressing you, or others with a similar take. As mentioned above, there are indeed people on here with unreasonable / unrealistic expectations. Mind you, that's true on the pro-Bryce side too but it's a smaller crowd.

When we signed him I did a deep dive on his Houston days. One of the most surprising things I learned from it was that Chris Palmer didn't really put much effort into teaching Carr how to read a defense. Yes, you read that right Instead, they'd just write a play and tell him "throw it to this spot". Yeah How in the unmitigated hell a coach with years of actual NFL coaching experience believes something like that is a truly viable option... I'm just never gonna understand

Listen, I don't have to take this crappy "guilt by association" stuff For the record though, what I was pointing out was that you were in fact not the first person to mention that name. We didn't "hear it here first"

Carr.

Graziano said pretty much the same using Jordan Love as an example.

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The sacks were only half the story. His early coaching was awful. I mean like Hue Jackson with the Browns level awful.

Nah. I hadn't seen it because that wasn't how I interpreted it. Don't know that I've seen anyone suggesting we tank (not really a practical suggestion with only four games left) though that element does hang around on an annual basis. Ditto the "hey this guy's good, let's trade him" crowd. They show up every year As to the Cam comparisons, that was kind of the point. Stroud, Fields, Richardson and others weren't true examples of a Newtonesque archetype, yet a lot of the people arguing they should be the pick invoked Cam's name on the logic that they were. What I think you're ultimately doing here is somewhat conflating your take with others. No, you're not doing the things talked about, but others are. And those are the ones being referenced in posts like that one. As mentioned, my whole thing is arguing not to keep Bryce long term but remaining realistic and substantive in the context of those arguments. That may be a lot to ask in a sports talk setting these days, but hey...

You sure about that?

It's possible, though probably and only very preliminary terms. If they do choose to extend him, Dan Graziano's short term / mid-range suggestion would be my preference.

Heh

Yep. Hurney was certainly capable of picking good players (hell, most of us can do that) but I said many times that the duty of a GM is to build a complete roster, not just add in some good players here and there. Marty was never capable of doing that, and the results showed.

Greg Little...Damn, I swear I'd successfully blocked that name out of my memory but it's all coming back t me now And yeah, same thing happened with DeAngelo Williams. We reportedly had Laurence Maroney ahead of him on our draft board but Belichick moved up and took him ahead of us.

Yeah...no. he's actually just engaging in the same "should / will" confusion as others have by taking Person out of context. Here's the rest of Person's statement: Canales, Dan Morgan and Tilis will weigh more than just the next four games, even if Young plays well and the Panthers end their seven-year playoff drought, when considering an extension. Young and the Panthers have taken another step forward this season. If that ascension continues in 2026, his payday is coming. Notice the "if" statements... Joe is talking about an extension being the next decision on the horizon and what will ultimately determine their choice of action. And all that within the context of what top quarterbacks are getting paid right now. In not way is he arguing that kind of extension should be considered right now. Hell, Person set the contezt for this elaboration just one sentence back in the start of the paragraph. He calls the fifth year option "an easy decision" specifically because it's more economical than any proposed extension might be. So no, it's not a solid answer. On the contrary, it's just another example of the same mistake.

I wasn't sure where that came from

Nah...you ain't right, dude You ain't wrong, either

Just FYI: This week's award went to Jordan Love

I wasn't gonna lie to Lady Cowboy Fan on that play. Told her straight up that was bullsh-t. To be fair though, the late game OPI call on Jake Ferguson was kind of a head scratcher too NFL officiating, ladies and gentlemen...

You should. Marty Hurney has said in an interview that had Houston not been picking ahead of us, we would have drafted Carr over Peppers. And to be fair to Carr, he not only received weekly beatings behind Houston's poorly equipped offensive line, but on top of that also some absolute dog sh-t coaching from Chris Palmer and company that probably aided in derailing his career. Just one of several examples from that era where somebody else's screwup actually saved us from screwing up ourselves...

Went back and looked at page 3. Pretty sure I found the post you were citing. My opinion: I think that post was trying to use hyperbole to make a couple of different points... One, yes there have been people grumbling over Bryce's stats in games we won. And in doing so ignoring that a lot of our early games relied on a very run heavy game plan. Honestly, not hard to find examples of that if you look back to the posts made around some of those arly victories. The Saints game forced us to go back to a more balanced attack, and we have indeed won games that way, including Young's career best game against Atlanta when that game unexpectedly became a shootout. Two, the size factor. Win or lose, good game or bad game, some folks are never gonna be happy with Bryce because of his stature. It's not so much that anyone expects Bryce to 'be Cam", but if you peruse this board during draft season you'll find loads of threads about prospects that "remind me of Cam" or "could be another Cam" or "might be Cam lite" or at the very least insisting that we'ill never win a Super Bowl unless we get a dual threat quarterback (a false, but somewhat widely held belief). That was a lot of the draw around Justin Fields, CJ Stroud (who I wanted, but not for that reason), Anthony Richardson and others. If you look back at threads touting those guys, it usually only takes only a few posts for someone to invoke Newton, even if the quarterback in question doesn't really resemble him much at all (Fields was a prime example). There are people who want Cam back (in spirit if not in body). if that's your ideal, having a guy like Bryce is anathema. But Cam isn't coming back, and as mentioned in the referenced post, guys like Cam don't grow on trees. So basically it's kinda futile to insist on that being the only path to glory. The overriding point in all this is unrealistic expectations. And yeah, we got 'em. We actually have something else that might be even worse though. Fear. Subtle feat, rationalized fear, but at heart still plain old fear. Why do I say that? Because the ridiculously illogical narrative that we somehow "win in spite of Bryce" is a fear based defense mechanism. Bryce can't ever be allowed to do anything good or receive any sort of credit for the Panthers winning games because to do so opens the door to the possibility that Bryce could end up being retained... ...and we simply can't have that Silly? Sure is, but I think we've all seen cases where people could rationalize just about anything if they're motivated enough. I'm not gonna go that route. I acknowledge every Bryce's skills, his progress, his growth, his "clutch gene" and any number of other good qualities he's demonstrated. And I still don't want to have to depend on him long term. And no, that isn't a contradiction. I have reasons.

No argument

Insert John McKay quote here

Same Granted, the Patriots are doing well this year.

No. I experienced my mom going through it. Still have PTSD

We close the season well but don't make the playoffs, then we don't see Bryce tested at that level. That'll certainly make for some... interesting offseason discussion