Mr. Scot

Couple more things from last night... This is an absolute mess

Gilbert or Harold Goodwin? I know Gilbert is officially listed as the OL Coach but that was Goodwin's role last year before they gave him one of those goofy "Run Game Coordinator" titles. Far as I know, they're both coaching OL.

Thought you were done with this conversation... (for the second or third time) Accusing someone else of gaslighting while pulling out selective stats is ironic enough, but given how you've done in this thread I'm not surprised. You haven't given a single substantive answer, you've dodged questions repeatedly, cut and paste the same stuff about half a dozen times, and for several pages now rather than actually throwing anything relevant out there as a counter, you've just stuck to attacking me. You've lost, dude. Probably best to go ahead and actually take that exit you keep saying you're going to take

Oh, come on. That "career record" includes the first year disaster under Reich (actually under Tepper, but hey). But even if it didn't, a career win-loss record doesn't tell you how somebody is doing right now. That's basically like saying you can't judge by his performance against the Rams because he looked terrible in week one.

Get the impression this is gonna be talked about quite a lot...

Earlier in the same game...

From tonight's game... Depending on your point of view, the Rams might have a better claim to being screwed out of a game than us

Found the full interview:

Thus sayeth Pat McAfee while interviewing Luke Kuechly... One note here: The Twitter caption talks about Kuechly praising Dan Morgan and David Tepper, but when Luke mentions "Dan and Dave" I believe he's actually talking about Morgan and Canales. I'm going primarily by context, but I also kinda doubt Luke would refer to Tepper as "Dave".

I was scared I'd see us mentioned

Not really, but I'd say the WCO is a better fit for Bryce's skill set. Tough to picture him in a Coryell. He's just not a good enough player ability-wise and consistency-wise. I think he'd make a great backup, but I seriously doubt there's any path to that destination.

We are talking about Bryce, and have been. Specifically, your suggestion that he doesn't fit the scheme Canales runs. And on that point, I accept your concession

A lot of that is basic WCO, but I'm guessing you know that. Would add that I'd rather a coach adjust his schemes to fit the players anyway but that's a separate debate.

There are definite schematic issues with Evero, but that's not the point. The point is Canales was willing to give him chances, and that even after a (historically) bad year. Bryce, at least so far, is ending this season same as he did last year: trending up. That tells me Canales is highly unlikely to move on from him.

His OCs were all guys who ran a lot of WCO concepts. Heck, even in college he was work some of the same things. To be clear, WCO doesn't exclude chucking it downfield. If you ever watched the Eagles under Reid, McNabb did at least three or four of those a game. As far as preferences, I used to be primarily a Coryell guy and hated the WCO (me and another guy used to have those debates on an annual basis). I came around to it later on. These days I'm looking into E-P

YAC is only one part of a WCO. Darrell Bevell, Brian Schottenheimer and Shane Waldron all ran offenses with heavy WCO concepts (rhythm, tempo, timing routes, quick releases, short passes as long handoffs, etc). Heck, Waldron came out of a Shanahan tree. Can't get much more WCO than that unless you invoke Bill Walsh. Didn't hurt that they had Russell Wilson either. WCOs often function better with a mobile quarterback. Do you know why?

Sold, or in the process of being sold. Could be either way. Consider this for a second... Last season, our defensive coordinator steered what many have called the worst defense in NFL history. Canales would absolutely have been justified in firing him, and no one would have blamed him if he had. But what did he do? He gave Evero another chance to come back and prove he could be better. Does that tell us something about Canales? I think it does. Now apply that to Bryce

Ah yes, the old "accuse your opponent of what you're actually trying to do" tactic. Always amusing You wanna drop out? No problem, but you should probably do so by just admitting the conversation is over your head. Though truth be told, even if you don't wanna admit it, I'm pretty sure anyone reading this, watching you dodge the questions and just cut and paste the same recycled answers over and over again can probably already see that

That'd primarily be an example of a Coryell type receiver, though a WCO can sometimes take deep shots as well. The guys that are gonna best fit our attack though are the YAC guys, regardless of size.

Not necessarily... What I honestly wish more people understood is that Canales doesn't necessarily look at Bryce the way we do. People are looking for excuses based on an assumption that he does. But I think if we're honest with ourselves, he doesn't. Canales may genuinely believe we can win, and even win big, with Bryce at question. Do I believe it? No, but what I, you or anyone else believes doesn't really matter. So basically, if Canales believes in Young, then He's going to continue working with him as the starter until there comes a point where he doesn't. That likely ends up being a sh-t sandwich for Panther fans, but what's new?

Nah. I'm talking nuts and bolts football. You're trying to deflect from the fact that you don't understand the difference between a stylistic analysis and a measure of ability. You can go back to pre-draft analysis and you'll find a lot of the talk(even on this same board) had Bryce pegged as a WCO or possibly an E-P fit. That idea came from understanding the schemes and matching them to his streniand weaknesses as a prospect. (and yes, he has strengths; hell, even Manziel had strengths) Again though, since you seem to need this simplified even further, just answer these two questions: - Who was the college OC that Bryce thrived under? - What kind of concepts did he run in the NFL?

Not a defense of him...an understanding of the problem. (something you seem to be lacking right now) Bryce in a Canales offense is not an example of a stylistic mismatch, but I can give you one if that helps. When he was playing for the Panthers, Cam Newton sat under OC's running Coryell type offenses. Newton had a big arm and was a strong runner. He fit into that sort of attack very well. Then he goes to New England, where at the time they were running an Earhardt-Perkins system (similar to WCO In a lot of what they do but very different terminology). The Patriot offenses back then were heavily based on timing and rhythm style passing, not something that Newton was especially well suited for. So he washed out at New England, not because he had poor ability (his abilities had been on display here on a regular basis) but because he didn't fit what they wanted to do with their offense. I always go back to Jeff Garcia as one of the prime examples of this issue. Garcia in a WCO looked like a world beater. Put him in any other scheme though...yikes! So again, Young's issues here have nothing to do with any failure to mesh with Canales. Hell, is say Canales has actually done pretty well at adapting his system to who he has rather than trying to jam square pegs into round holes. Again, it doesn't take an elite level of football knowledge to get this. It's pretty basic. But if you're not even capable of understanding what the real problem is, how are you going to know you to find the right solution?

Okay, looks like you've failed the quiz, so here's the answers Joe Montana and Steve Bono were the same style player with similar skill sets. One was just better than the other. Brett Favre and Rex Grossman were also the same type of player. Again, one was demonstrably higher in ability than the other. Hell, Tom Brady and Teddy Bridgewater were even the same style of player. One has numerous Super Bowl rings and the other is coacing a high school team. What's the difference? Ability All of these examples show the distinction between style, skill set, and playing ability. If you still can't understand that after this many examples and damn near remedial level explanations, not much more I could tell you. Heck, you probably don't even have to know football to understand what I'm saying. It's just basic analysis. But then, as the saying goes, I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you

@CRAWould it help if I put names to it? Late 80s, early 90s: Joe Montana and Steve Bono were both quarterbacks for the San Francisco 49ers. Montana was the starter, Bono was a backup. Why was Montana the starter and not Bono? Did they have different styles, or was it differing levels of ability?

Don't need to...or can't? This is a pretty basic question, Football 101 level, honestly. You're not even gonna try to answer it?