Mr. Scot

Yeah, Aubrey is nuts. Watch every other team try to find another guy like him in the offseason...and most of them fail.

I asked AI imaging to reproduce a picture of some of my budgies. What I got was an image of some kind of weird, unearthly budgie / conure / macaw hybrid

I was assured that was Bryce Have heard that Tagovailoa and JJ McCarthy among others aren't exactly setting the world on fire this season either.

Hell, the post was in a thread that isn't even about Bryce, but that's how it works around here Some of the same posters in this thread have also posted heavily in a couple of other threads where I'vw been active. Let's just say some of the takes were...less than reasonable. There are certainly reasonable takes, and I think you and I share one. There are also "we win in spite of him" arguments, which are among the silliest takes in the world to me

I can't. I gotta drive later

But still, it's Cleveland I don't claim to have seen all that much of Gabriel this year (not enough of a masochist to watch Browns games) but the "Factory of Sadness" is one of the league's funniest running gags to me Would be great if we could have a "Marvel What If" type of thing for football. I'd ask what would have happened if Tom Brady had been drafted by the Browns.

Still boggles my mind that there are people who tear him down.

I've argued in the past that a lot of history's biggest draft busts could have been saved by better coaching. Carr is one.

Also my take... Mind you, what common sense tells him and what his agent tells him aren't necessarily in the same realm

Well to be fair, Dillon Gabriel is being asked to succeed in Cleveland

I'm not convinced there's gonna be a huge market for Rico. He had a phenomenal four or five game stretch, but the wear and tear got to him. I think teams will see you can't extrapolate that to a full season. Sticking in a two back rotation is probably his best bet, though I get that it isn't guarantee he's going to see it that way.

Define "we", kemo sabe I don't see that post as addressing you, or others with a similar take. As mentioned above, there are indeed people on here with unreasonable / unrealistic expectations. Mind you, that's true on the pro-Bryce side too but it's a smaller crowd.

When we signed him I did a deep dive on his Houston days. One of the most surprising things I learned from it was that Chris Palmer didn't really put much effort into teaching Carr how to read a defense. Yes, you read that right Instead, they'd just write a play and tell him "throw it to this spot". Yeah How in the unmitigated hell a coach with years of actual NFL coaching experience believes something like that is a truly viable option... I'm just never gonna understand

Listen, I don't have to take this crappy "guilt by association" stuff For the record though, what I was pointing out was that you were in fact not the first person to mention that name. We didn't "hear it here first"

Carr.

Graziano said pretty much the same using Jordan Love as an example.

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The sacks were only half the story. His early coaching was awful. I mean like Hue Jackson with the Browns level awful.

Nah. I hadn't seen it because that wasn't how I interpreted it. Don't know that I've seen anyone suggesting we tank (not really a practical suggestion with only four games left) though that element does hang around on an annual basis. Ditto the "hey this guy's good, let's trade him" crowd. They show up every year As to the Cam comparisons, that was kind of the point. Stroud, Fields, Richardson and others weren't true examples of a Newtonesque archetype, yet a lot of the people arguing they should be the pick invoked Cam's name on the logic that they were. What I think you're ultimately doing here is somewhat conflating your take with others. No, you're not doing the things talked about, but others are. And those are the ones being referenced in posts like that one. As mentioned, my whole thing is arguing not to keep Bryce long term but remaining realistic and substantive in the context of those arguments. That may be a lot to ask in a sports talk setting these days, but hey...

You sure about that?

It's possible, though probably and only very preliminary terms. If they do choose to extend him, Dan Graziano's short term / mid-range suggestion would be my preference.

Heh

Yep. Hurney was certainly capable of picking good players (hell, most of us can do that) but I said many times that the duty of a GM is to build a complete roster, not just add in some good players here and there. Marty was never capable of doing that, and the results showed.

Greg Little...Damn, I swear I'd successfully blocked that name out of my memory but it's all coming back t me now And yeah, same thing happened with DeAngelo Williams. We reportedly had Laurence Maroney ahead of him on our draft board but Belichick moved up and took him ahead of us.

Yeah...no. he's actually just engaging in the same "should / will" confusion as others have by taking Person out of context. Here's the rest of Person's statement: Canales, Dan Morgan and Tilis will weigh more than just the next four games, even if Young plays well and the Panthers end their seven-year playoff drought, when considering an extension. Young and the Panthers have taken another step forward this season. If that ascension continues in 2026, his payday is coming. Notice the "if" statements... Joe is talking about an extension being the next decision on the horizon and what will ultimately determine their choice of action. And all that within the context of what top quarterbacks are getting paid right now. In not way is he arguing that kind of extension should be considered right now. Hell, Person set the contezt for this elaboration just one sentence back in the start of the paragraph. He calls the fifth year option "an easy decision" specifically because it's more economical than any proposed extension might be. So no, it's not a solid answer. On the contrary, it's just another example of the same mistake.